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Old Thursday 6th December 2018, 16:36   #51
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I saw this and knowing Graham for many years, I was taken aback by the veracity of Peter Stronach’s reply, which I felt was unwarranted and reflected more badly on him.
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Julian, I think 'ferocity' might be more appropriate!
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Any important future Scottish records of mine will be going straight to BBRC, not the Scottish recorder. Obviously I will expect him not to use them without my permission....

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He's just the Highland recorder. No need to cut off the whole of Scotland...

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Any important future Scottish records of mine will be going straight to BBRC, not the Scottish recorder. Obviously I will expect him not to use them without my permission....

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There is no such person as a "Scottish recorder", what there is though, is a network of local recorders for each Region. These people send any local records to their respective rarity committee, any Scottish rarities are passed onto SBRC. British rarities are assesed by BBRC.
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Can I apologise again to Mark Sutton for accidentaly missing him off the ring round for the Anglesey Black Lark. He would have made it easily first evening too.
An interesting example. I understand that a number of twitchers set off for it well before it broke on the news services. If it had not stayed overnight, I'm sure there would be plenty of gnashing of teeth for the delay on that one from many who could have got the bird the first night. I got to South Stack at about 10.30pm so too late having got out of the bath in Clevedon and picked someone up. I gave someone in a fish and chip shop in Holyhead a four letter viewpoint of that behaviour that evening though it did not effect the outcome for me.

Quite simply it is more time-consuming if a ring round does not include the news services and shows a contempt for fellow twitchers in my view. But that's my personal view.

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Thank you and Birdspotter!

I haven't the slightest intention of cutting off Scotland. Nor, of course, do more than half of Scots, which shows commendable sense and enables me to feel part of a harmonious Union.

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It is amazing how many people's Twitter feeds you see these days stuffed full of pictures (often of non-rarities) that they have twitched where the individual does not consider themselves to be a twitcher..... They normally do far more twitching than me
True enough, Paul. I tried to be as general as possible with 'travel for rarities' but you could say 'any specific bird of desire they heard about'. I think the principle is 'if you don't use the news don't feel obliged to make it' with the flip 'if you do use it but don't reciprocate, well, don't be surprised if people think you are a bit of a..........'.

My sensibility is that shouts of 'suppressor!' sometimes kind of sound a bit like 'witch!', and it's heinous crime no matter who the accused is or what the circumstances are. Just a bit much, considering the subject (bird spotting).

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The example I compare it to when driving in the narrow lanes around here and you pull in for someone so they can pull past ...

It always rather annoys me when they don't raise a hand to say thanks, flash lights or even mouth a thankyou. They are under no compulsion to do so of course, and they may be registered blind or have other good excuse.

But to make the world go round really nicely and smoothly it's always great when they do at least acknowledge or thank you. It makes the world a better place.
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My sensibility is that shouts of 'suppressor!' sometimes kind of sound a bit like 'witch!', and it's heinous crime no matter who the accused is or what the circumstances are. Just a bit much, considering the subject (bird spotting).
Totally agree and on many occasions in respect of species where I would not expect people to feel compelled to disseminate news proactively even if like me they have enjoyed hundreds of other people's birds and have a similar number of unknown people to thank.

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Back on the bird.....

Anyone looked today or has the weather ruled out a search?

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Does anyone here actually know this Highland bird recorder beyond one excessive word he used on social media? Shoot me down for saying it, if you must, but prattish as that post was, it seems the grief he's getting is a little bit excessive. If you would judge someone off one stupid social media moment, it'd certainly make me the a***hole of the world :) We've all done it
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The example I compare it to when driving in the narrow lanes around here and you pull in for someone so they can pull past ...

It always rather annoys me when they don't raise a hand to say thanks, flash lights or even mouth a thankyou. They are under no compulsion to do so of course, and they may be registered blind or have other good excuse.

But to make the world go round really nicely and smoothly it's always great when they do at least acknowledge or thank you. It makes the world a better place.

Ha..don't move here to the US then!! Nobody does that here!!��
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Does anyone here actually know this Highland bird recorder beyond one excessive word he used on social media? Shoot me down for saying it, if you must, but prattish as that post was, it seems the grief he's getting is a little bit excessive. If you would judge someone off one stupid social media moment, it'd certainly make me the a***hole of the world :) We've all done it
I don't think he's had much stick, I think that for an unprovoked insult such as the one he uttered, he's got off lightly, especially as a recorder who you'd think should be of good standing and not prone to such outbursts.

It would attract censure on this site for sure, well, depending who you are.
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Totally agree and on many occasions in respect of species where I would not expect people to feel compelled to disseminate news proactively even if like me they have enjoyed hundreds of other people's birds and have a similar number of unknown people to thank.

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Paul. If only it was that simple. Many examples of local groups who keep scarce and rare birds off the radar, even to active birders in the same locality. This is in some cases resented by those who previously have put out news on their own birds, but are out of the loop on local stuff. Tit for tat then results and sub groups result formed by those excluded. The natural conclusion is that eventually people miss out on seeing a bird that would have been twitchable with little or no disturbance caused.
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Paul. If only it was that simple. Many examples of local groups who keep scarce and rare birds off the radar, even to active birders in the same locality. This is in some cases resented by those who previously have put out news on their own birds, but are out of the loop on local stuff. Tit for tat then results and sub groups result formed by those excluded. The natural conclusion is that eventually people miss out on seeing a bird that would have been twitchable with little or no disturbance caused.
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Birds of local interest are problematic. I once found a Wryneck at Dinton Pastures Country Park. I confess that I almost didn't phone it out straight away but subsequently met someone who twitched it for whom it was an important bird because of its location.

Most of our local birders put news out down to Yellow-browed Warblers but one did need to be found twice this autumn. When I texted someone to tell them about it, I found out he had found it and informed some people the day before.....

But at the end of the day, you should try and make sure you take as few lists as possible too seriously so I would only ever get too excited about national ticks.

People who have always tended to be a bit slow or intermittent on news are the same on WhatsApp groups.

Any news today?

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An interesting example. I understand that a number of twitchers set off for it well before it broke on the news services.
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One of the 3 guys who ran Birdline NW + Birdline Wales was with the guy that took the call from the finder while at a small event at RSPB Conwy, we were with about 4 other birders at the reserve. The news was obviously relayed to the Birdline NW/Wales person on duty (as well as a load of other people including iirc RBA) straight away and was on the recorded message in no time. Pandemonium as we legged it across the site to the car park yelling incoherently at random people, cue Wacky Races. HTH did the thread get on to the Black Lark? And yes, still no update (on here) about the Dusky Thrush, assume it's been looked for so hopefully not done a bunk..
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Birding clearly has sociological depths which remain mysterious to us in the US.

Presumably because the country is bigger, the competition for rarities here is smaller. A tropical vagrant in Florida is balanced by an unexpected visitor in Alaska. So suppression is obviously silly for everybody who is interested in birds.
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When I speak of "suppression" to US birders, whether it be cases that are intentional, unintentional, justified or what have you, they just shake their heads and wonder what an earth we are doing. I must admit I do admire the openness of the US birders. We see lots of reports of private property rarities that can't be accessed, but the finders are always quick to share the sighting even in the same day.
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Sounds like a polite way of saying: “you guys are nuts”

Coming from Hong Kong which has some of thr same issues as the UK its hard to disagree.

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Thank you and Birdspotter!

I haven't the slightest intention of cutting off Scotland. Nor, of course, do more than half of Scots, which shows commendable sense and enables me to feel part of a harmonious Union.

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lol - It's never been a harmonious union which is one of it's strengths. You lot need us as a counterbalance. Remember all the crazy stuff England got up to when it was an 'independent country'.
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The example I compare it to when driving in the narrow lanes around here and you pull in for someone so they can pull past ...

It always rather annoys me when they don't raise a hand to say thanks, flash lights or even mouth a thankyou. They are under no compulsion to do so of course, and they may be registered blind or have other good excuse.

But to make the world go round really nicely and smoothly it's always great when they do at least acknowledge or thank you. It makes the world a better place.

I think there would be more of a problem than failing to wave if they are registered blind !!!
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Presumably because the country is bigger, the competition for rarities here is smaller. A tropical vagrant in Florida is balanced by an unexpected visitor in Alaska. So suppression is obviously silly for everybody who is interested in birds.
....but we don't have birders advised not to go and see a Vermilion Flycatcher from a public road because an irate resident is firing his shotgun in the air to tell the birders to go away.....
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Any important future Scottish records of mine will be going straight to BBRC, not the Scottish recorder. Obviously I will expect him not to use them without my permission....

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As per too quick dashing for the high horse to actually read the info presented - there is no such thing as the Scottish recorder, Peter is the Highland recorder. With that in mind and given the number of 'important records' unearthed during your numerous Shetland visits, I doubt much sleep is being lost over this momentous declaration

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As per too quick dashing for the high horse to actually read the info presented - there is no such thing as the Scottish recorder, Peter is the Highland recorder. With that in mind and given the number of 'important records' unearthed during your numerous Shetland visits, I doubt much sleep is being lost over this momentous declaration

Maybe you should also read the info presented as John had already been set straight on this point by myself!
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Birding clearly has sociological depths which remain mysterious to us in the US.

Presumably because the country is bigger, the competition for rarities here is smaller. A tropical vagrant in Florida is balanced by an unexpected visitor in Alaska. So suppression is obviously silly for everybody who is interested in birds.
Definitely a good point there. In Britain a really special rarity, first available at a weekend, and at a reasonably accessible location, could potentially attract nearly every keen twitcher in the country. There is also the issue that so much of the land in Britain is private, densly populated, and that in many locations the remnant pieces of good wildlife lhabitat are small and not used to large influxes of visitors. Certainly there are reasons why releasing news in Britain can potentially be more fraught than in the US. Still, things seem to scrape through on most occasions, though it's not surprising there is more potential for heat to be generated.
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