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western France : goshawk or sparrowhawk ?

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Old Monday 3rd August 2020, 20:24   #1
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western France : goshawk or sparrowhawk ?

Hello everybody

in our garden today this bird took a Wood Pigeon

what do you think ?
Thanks
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Old Monday 3rd August 2020, 20:39   #2
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Old Monday 3rd August 2020, 20:41   #3
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Old Monday 3rd August 2020, 20:43   #4
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as it was a big Wood Pigeon I had hoped ....

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Old Tuesday 4th August 2020, 11:53   #5
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If you have to ask, its usually a Sparrowhawk.

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Old Tuesday 4th August 2020, 14:08   #6
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[quote=Rotherbirder;4040665]If you have to ask, its usually a Sparrowhawk.

Hi and thanks for taking the time

and well yeah
“When you hear hoofs, think horse, not zebra.”

but (sorry) more data

it was bigger than the wood pigeon it had taken


we saw the whole thing in three episodes

we were sitting in the garden having coffee



suddenly we saw the raptor and a wood pigeon falling to the floor
we saw the barred tail of the raptor
it seemed to loose its grip on the Wood Pigeon and then flew off

we were sitting less than two meters away

the wood pigeon was stunned and when it came to its senses it moved into the bamboo and we thought the episode over
but I got the camera...

Then about 5’ later we saw the raptor was plucking a (the ?) pigeon about 12m further off

I started to take photos and then the neighbours kids, 4 and 6, started shouting.
The bird flew off with the carcass – about 10m into the shade of some bigger trees and finished her meal on the floor

does the story change anyone's view ?
and what about the size compared to the Wood Pigeon ?


thanks again for all your help



I had already seen a Wryneck that morning so was well ahead :)

Cheers BM

ps in this photo that is blood on his chin/throat
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... 110%.

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... 110%.

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you mean a probability of 1. 5
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Have you been in my garden, Buck?
Female sparrowhawk with woodpigeon
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Have you been in my garden, Buck?
Female sparrowhawk with woodpigeon
superbe !!!
and in this excellent photo of a Sparrowhawk showing the typical barred markings

whereas ours has
"chevron or water drop shaped marks"



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superbe !!!
and in this excellent photo of a Sparrowhawk showing the typical barred markings

whereas ours has
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your bird is a juvenile female
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you mean a probability of 1. 5
There is no 'probability' about it, it is definitely a Sparrowhawk - a juvenile female as Tom said. Why ask for advice on an ID and then dispute it?

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There is no 'probability' about it, it is definitely a Sparrowhawk - a juvenile female as Tom said. Why ask for advice on an ID and then dispute it?

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He isn't; he's doing a joke ID confirmation of 150% . . . definititatively a Sparrowhawk
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He isn't; he's doing a joke ID confirmation of 150% . . . definititatively a Sparrowhawk
I confirm the "joke "

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Definatly a Sparrowhawk.
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There is no 'probability' about it, it is definitely a Sparrowhawk - a juvenile female as Tom said. Why ask for advice on an ID and then dispute it?

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A surprisingly, non unique event, it's happened a few times in recent years.
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A surprisingly, non unique event, it's happened a few times in recent years.
приве́т Andy A

thanks for this

yes !
I now have three instances here in France and one in Leicester


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Either my command of the English language or my sense of humour must have suddenly failed me!?

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