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Old Thursday 17th September 2020, 07:19   #26
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Never held one however the design appears more functional than pretty. Chunky black focuser mechanisms set between juniper-green barrels that won't show the dirt.
Well ok.
But those strap lugs? Put a roof rack on an Aston DB5 why don't you .
That pic of NL certainly emphasizes the two 'monstrous carbunkles' or at least, toxic growths, that are the strap lugs. This is where my baguette theory breaks down.

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Talking of inspiration, so many ideas can be had while using 'the smallest room':

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Anyone care to post a photo of the cleaning accessories?
If the brush resembles a toothbrush...
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From the first moment I saw a photo of Swarovski's amazing NL, with its 'pinched', 'waisted' tubes, I knew I had seen that shape before. But where? This has been bugging me ever since.

And then the memories came flooding back. In the deep south of France (and probably all over France) in the beautiful Languedoc, in the early morning, you can see people walking around carrying different loads in their hands, shopping bags, brief cases, sheafs of newspapers and so on, but tucked under their arms, and held in place by arm pressure only, was a baguette.

Baguettes are a gorgeous bread loaf but is shaped long and narrow, much like a person's arm. When buying groceries and bread from the canal boat shop in Le Somail, I too walked back to our gite carrying our daily baguette in this same way (baguettes are best eaten fresh) and, by the time I got back, after juggling with other shopping, unlocking, opening and locking the gite door, then making my way upstairs to our accommodation, and all the time gripping the baguette with my arm so it didn't fall, it was pinched where my arm had squashed it.

On the long, ancient wooden table, where we ate (unless we sat outside on the balcony) there it was: a long, narrow shape with this 'waist' in the middle.

And by golly if you picked the baguette up by this squashed section, your hand fitted around it very comfortably.

So there it is, the inspiration for the shape of NL.
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Lee, I have to tell you that in my -- I daren't really call it a review -- I made this very same comparison: EL = two tins of baked beans; NL = squashed baguette.

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Lee, I have to tell you that in my -- I daren't really call it a review -- I made this very same comparison: EL = two tins of baked beans; NL = squashed baguette.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery! ;-)

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From the first moment I saw a photo of Swarovski's amazing NL, with its 'pinched', 'waisted' tubes, I knew I had seen that shape before. But where? This has been bugging me ever since.

And then the memories came flooding back. In the deep south of France (and probably all over France) in the beautiful Languedoc, in the early morning, you can see people walking around carrying different loads in their hands, shopping bags, brief cases, sheafs of newspapers and so on, but tucked under their arms, and held in place by arm pressure only, was a baguette.

Baguettes are a gorgeous bread loaf but is shaped long and narrow, much like a person's arm. When buying groceries and bread from the canal boat shop in Le Somail, I too walked back to our gite carrying our daily baguette in this same way (baguettes are best eaten fresh) and, by the time I got back, after juggling with other shopping, unlocking, opening and locking the gite door, then making my way upstairs to our accommodation, and all the time gripping the baguette with my arm so it didn't fall, it was pinched where my arm had squashed it.

On the long, ancient wooden table, where we ate (unless we sat outside on the balcony) there it was: a long, narrow shape with this 'waist' in the middle.

And by golly if you picked the baguette up by this squashed section, your hand fitted around it very comfortably.

So there it is, the inspiration for the shape of NL.
Possibly.

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Lee,

Just the idea of the NL design inspired by a "carried too long baguette" made me laugh :o)
It's very well spotted.
Don't try to carry a baguette too long under pouring rain either, you might end up with a bow :oD

One of the thing my sisters and I hated most when we were kids, was to go to buy bread at the bakery, as it was a 15mn walk (one way), coins on our hands, whatever the weather (and the weather wasn't much cooperative in the part of France we were living in :o).

It's always surprising to see something so "usual" for French people, to become so loved by people from other countries.

But the baguette is slowly becoming something from the past somehow.
The baguette purchases has been divided by 7 in 100 years, half a baguette being the average daily "intake" by French, meaning some people don't eat any baguettes at all, even if it's kind of "culturally mandatory" for us to eat with most of our cheeses.
The change in Breakfast habits being one of the reason.

A lot of French workers still buy the traditional "baguette sandwich" for Lunch though.
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I have a pair of the Swarovski SL seen in post #3.
I bought them in 1989 and loved them despite their heavyweight construction and terrible focus wheel.
To me, they're by far the best-looking and rugged porros ever made.

I gave them to my cousin several years ago but he despised their weight and focusing wheel and returned them to me last year.
After getting my Zeiss HT, I never saw the need to use them again.
I'm thining about giving them to another cousin.
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Lee,

Just the idea of the NL design inspired by a "carried too long baguette" made me laugh :o)
It's very well spotted.
Don't try to carry a baguette too long under pouring rain either, you might end up with a bow :oD

One of the thing my sisters and I hated most when we were kids, was to go to buy bread at the bakery, as it was a 15mn walk (one way), coins on our hands, whatever the weather (and the weather wasn't much cooperative in the part of France we were living in :o).

It's always surprising to see something so "usual" for French people, to become so loved by people from other countries.

But the baguette is slowly becoming something from the past somehow.
The baguette purchases has been divided by 7 in 100 years, half a baguette being the average daily "intake" by French, meaning some people don't eat any baguettes at all, even if it's kind of "culturally mandatory" for us to eat with most of our cheeses.
The change in Breakfast habits being one of the reason.

A lot of French workers still buy the traditional "baguette sandwich" for Lunch though.
Hi Rob

Yes I could see this change during our visits to Le Somail in the Languedoc. Going for the baguettes was no chore there as it was a 3 minute walk over a glorious old arched stone bridge over the Canal du Midi to buy the bread from an old canal boat. What is not to like? But there was never a queue and in later visits only saw perhaps one or two locals carrying baguettes at the most, but we were on holiday so relaxed about time and perhaps the locals had been, bought baguettes and gone by the time I visited the boat.

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That pic of NL certainly emphasizes the two 'monstrous carbunkles' or at least, toxic growths, that are the strap lugs. This is where my baguette theory breaks down.

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I know you're being funny with an agenda, but monstrous carbuncles and toxic growths are silly.

I have both pre FP and FP and it doesn't make two dry beans of a difference. Your hands won't be there.

BTW, when I was young and dumb and . . . ahem, I lived on baguettes in Paris for a time. Jambon, brie, crudite. Social distancing not a problem. I couldn't afford anything else, lol.

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Some Leitz Trinovids had a proprietary strap attachment resembling the Fieldpro in concept, and no one has ever criticized those binoculars looks wise.

My own take on the Fieldpro system, for what it's worth, is that it isn't really necessary, but seems to work well enough in practice. When using two Swarovskis belonging to my brother, an 8.5x42 and a 10x56 SLC, I've found the SLC with the conventional strap system twists up more often (I don't know quite how, but it does) - but that issue could be quite easily solved by having thicker webbing between the neck strap itself and the strap attachments.

I will admit I'd prefer the simpler conventional system myself, as there is less that could conceivably go wrong.
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I know you're being funny with an agenda, but monstrous carbuncles and toxic growths are silly.

I have both pre FP and FP and it doesn't make two dry beans of a difference. Your hands won't be there.

BTW, when I was young and dumb and . . . ahem, I lived on baguettes in Paris for a time. Jambon, brie, crudite. Social distancing not a problem. I couldn't afford anything else, lol.

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There is no agenda Mark. This thread is just a bit of silly relief at a time when the pandemic weighs heavily on normal life, so, yes, the remarks about the FP system were nothing but silliness.

Paris is a wonderful place for many reasons and I have some fond memories of times there too.

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There is no agenda Mark. This thread is just a bit of silly relief at a time when the pandemic weighs heavily on normal life, so, yes, the remarks about the FP system were nothing but silliness.

Paris is a wonderful place for many reasons and I have some fond memories of times there too.

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It's all cool, Lee. I was thinking of Paris because a skinny little Slovenian won the Tour on Sunday! Unprecedented! Pretty good sprint for the stage, too.

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It's all cool, Lee. I was thinking of Paris because a skinny little Slovenian won the Tour on Sunday! Unprecedented! Pretty good sprint for the stage, too.

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No probs Mark. I met a Slovenian in Paris once. She was waitressing in a fish restaurant. She wasn't skinny (in a good way) and delighted all the customers with her repartee. Happy days.

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I know you're being funny with an agenda, but monstrous carbuncles and toxic growths are silly.

I have both pre FP and FP and it doesn't make two dry beans of a difference. Your hands won't be there...
Speak for yourself. For rapid focus, as with all bins, I keep my index and middle fingers on the focus knob. For comfort, I keep my hand so my fingers fall straight across the bin. Consequently, the strap lug falls under my palm between index finger and thumb. My grip works fine with the pre-FP but not with the FP.

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There is no agenda Mark. This thread is just a bit of silly relief at a time when the pandemic weighs heavily on normal life, so, yes, the remarks about the FP system were nothing but silliness.

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I hasten to add that the silliness in this thread was entirely about the aesthetics of NL and no comment was intended about functionality.

Older UK members may have recognised the 'monstrous carbunkle' remark to be a quotation from Prince Charles who was commenting in 1984 on a proposed extension to the National Gallery. The 'toxic' remark was aimed at bringing this language up to date.

So looking at the photo of NL again I still think the FP attachments conflict with the gentle, even sensuous, curves of the optical tubes, but conflict on Birdforum was not intended and I apologise to Mark and any others who felt the comments were a 'silliness too far'.


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The true inspiration has been around for a very long time:
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Speak for yourself. For rapid focus, as with all bins, I keep my index and middle fingers on the focus knob. For comfort, I keep my hand so my fingers fall straight across the bin. Consequently, the strap lug falls under my palm between index finger and thumb. My grip works fine with the pre-FP but not with the FP.

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Goodness, you must have very sensitive hands.
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I hasten to add that the silliness in this thread was entirely about the aesthetics of NL and no comment was intended about functionality.

Older UK members may have recognised the 'monstrous carbunkle' remark to be a quotation from Prince Charles who was commenting in 1984 on a proposed extension to the National Gallery. The 'toxic' remark was aimed at bringing this language up to date.

So looking at the photo of NL again I still think the FP attachments conflict with the gentle, even sensuous, curves of the optical tubes, but conflict on Birdforum was not intended and I apologise to Mark and any others who felt the comments were a 'silliness too far'.


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I remember the debate but not the quote! I generally side with Charles on these things.
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Goodness, you must have very sensitive hands.
Soft, but not especially sensitive! I just like the tube to fit against my palm, not, a lug and especially not a big (e.g. FP) one.

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I agree that the carbuncles are not a pretty sight, but I've been using an NL for about three weeks now without ever noticing them at all. I picked up the binocular today and found that my hands have been naturally placing themselves in front of the FP attachments. I think the focusing knob and the natural gripping area on the NL are so much farther forward than on the EL SV that even those who have a problem with the FP protuberances on the SV will probably not notice them on the NL.

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Interesting. I've been using the FP and pre-FP 8x32 for a month or so and I really don't care one way or the other.

Different yes, significant no. It came with adapters anyway. I've always thought the thick neoprene straps were a bit much for the svelt 32mm, but I never bothered, after eight years use, to switch it out.

I must be easy to please. Just traded in our 12 year old Subie for a new one. Top of the line. I like the new turbo, finally it can get out of its own shadow, but the owner's manual bores the pants off of me. I probably never will know all the crap it does.

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Before and after carbuncle treatment.

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Excellent. So now NL stands for No Lugs.

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Speak for yourself. For rapid focus, as with all bins, I keep my index and middle fingers on the focus knob. For comfort, I keep my hand so my fingers fall straight across the bin. Consequently, the strap lug falls under my palm between index finger and thumb. My grip works fine with the pre-FP but not with the FP.

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Hi AP - just read through the link above. I don't have a pre-Fieldpro to make more exact comparisons, but it seems as though the position of the FP's strap attachment is more or less the same as where the old strap lug used to be on the EL SV?

I noticed you appear to focus with your third/middle finger - do you do this with all your binoculars, and is it instinctive or a conscious preference? I almost always use my second/index finger, but use my third for my 12x50B porro, which requires a longer reach-around thanks to its very large prisms.

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I figured it was basically an euro stylized evolution of the shape seen on the Maven B2 with A-K prisms.

**** I have not been able to hold either. Just a mental note while passing by bino pages.
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Hi AP - just read through the link above. I don't have a pre-Fieldpro to make more exact comparisons, but it seems as though the position of the FP's strap attachment is more or less the same as where the old strap lug used to be on the EL SV?

I noticed you appear to focus with your third/middle finger - do you do this with all your binoculars, and is it instinctive or a conscious preference? I almost always use my second/index finger, but use my third for my 12x50B porro, which requires a longer reach-around thanks to its very large prisms.

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Yes, I think the lugs are in the same position in the preFP and FP. As others have noted, the position of the focus on the NL would spare me this issue with them. My biggest concerns with the NL are security of the diopter and the fact that I also despise FP lugs because they allow for twists in the neck strap (not a problem with regular lugs).

Yes, I usually use my middle finger to focus. I prefer it because it allows for more rapid focus across the range. I do a lot of butterflying+birding, so I am often switching between closest focus and infinity. But it is great for wood warblers, New World sparrows, and any other birding that involves a lot of close to mid-range focusing.

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