The producers of coating and grinding machines and many others are happy if they can sell to China. Also it's hardly be a problem to buy the needed know-how.
Steve
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Tried the new Trinovid today (1 Viewer)
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The producers of coating and grinding machines and many others are happy if they can sell to China. Also it's hardly be a problem to buy the needed know-how.
Steve
brocknroller
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This is pretty scary stuff, Bob. Press time this week, but I will go back and read more when I have the time. Reads like a Stephen King Apocalypse novel.
Here's a scary stat: If present fertility rates hold, the number of Germans will fall by 98% over the next two centuries.
I hope Steve's (hinnark) grandchildren have big families who can work as the next generation of German optical engineers, otherwise in 2112, we will see Leica-Punjabi binoculars made in India.
Brock
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This is pretty scary stuff, Bob. Press time this week, but I will go back and read more when I have the time. Reads like a Stephen King Apocalypse novel.
Here's a scary stat: If present fertility rates hold, the number of Germans will fall by 98% over the next two centuries.
I hope Steve's (hinnark) grandchildren have big families who can work as the next generation of German optical engineers, otherwise in 2112, we will see Leica-Punjabi binoculars made in India.
Brock
There are a couple of articles that address Germany's demographic problem. (Goldman has a PhD in German-language and literature) Here is one:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/JE20Dj05.html
If you are interested you can find more essays on the subject of demographics in general here:
http://dunedain.net/spengler/viewtopic.php?p=5918&highlight=#5918
These and essays on other subjects can be found under the link to the "Expat Bar" which appears when you click on "Spengler" on the home page of atimes.com.
Bob
brocknroller
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:-O
Amen!:t:
14Goudvink
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Dear all,
First test results of the new Trinovid 8x42:
http://www.kikkertspesialisten.no/pub_docs/files/tester/test8x40.pdf
Lysstyrke (faktisk) = Perceived (measured?) brightness
Randsone skarphet = Sharpness at the edge of the field
Synsfelt ved brillebruk = Field of view for those who wear glasses
The rest should be easy
Best,
George
First test results of the new Trinovid 8x42:
http://www.kikkertspesialisten.no/pub_docs/files/tester/test8x40.pdf
Lysstyrke (faktisk) = Perceived (measured?) brightness
Randsone skarphet = Sharpness at the edge of the field
Synsfelt ved brillebruk = Field of view for those who wear glasses
The rest should be easy
Best,
George
vop
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Dear all,
First test results of the new Trinovid 8x42:
http://www.kikkertspesialisten.no/pub_docs/files/tester/test8x40.pdf
Lysstyrke (faktisk) = Perceived (measured?) brightness
Randsone skarphet = Sharpness at the edge of the field
Synsfelt ved brillebruk = Field of view for those who wear glasses
The rest should be easy
Best,
George
So, the new "Trinovid" is better than the Ultravid HD?
If that is true, ... it's Leicas best joke yet! 3
14Goudvink
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Only contrast is a bit better. Sharpness at the edge of the field is worse. According to Kikkertspesialisten.
I've been reading all the post on this thread with interest. How many people have actually tried the binoculars? Personally there is no substitute for trying them 'in the hand'. I did and bought a pair. To my eyes they suit better than Ultravids which I just did not like. At the end of the day whatever test people conduct it still come down to suitability to an individuals needs and eyes. These new binoculars really suit my eyes and for me are they better than Ultravids. Would I shout and jump up and down with anyone who has the opposite view - no. At the end of the day it all down to personal choice and preference. I now stand back and await all the flak from people telling me I cannot be right, but, I just love these new binoculars and I respect everyone who loves their Ultravids, swaros, nikons etc. Incidentally I find them extremely comfortable in the hand as well.
Phil
Phil
brocknroller
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Phil, there are Trinnie BA and BN owners on BF who like their old Trinnies better than the new Ultravids, so your preference for the new Trinnie doesn't surprise me.
With the "Big Three" all having mid-tier bins now, plus competition at that price point from Nikon, Kowa, Pentax, Meopta, Vortex and Alpen, personal preferences including performance vs. price are bound to enter purchase decisions except perhaps for Leica Loyalists, who are more likely to stick with their brand and buy either model.
I agree that nothing beats a hands-on test/comparison with bins. However, since these are not available anywhere near me, I wanted to see what a reviewer had to say about them.
I ran the link on Babel Fish for Dutch to English, but it didn't work. Could be because it's a pdf file.
So I just copied the mini-review next to the bin and tried Google Translate and this is what it came up with:
"Not tested against the light yet. Trinovid is Leica's new, affordable model series.
Very sharp binoculars in all conditions. Ideal for hunters because of its high contrast, allowing the telescope to one of the best-8x42 binoculars in twilight. Missing AquaDura-coating. Practical all round binocular with remarkable qualities in twilight in relation to its price. Much of the money."
Not sure what they mean by "not tested against the light yet" when in the next breath they say "Very sharp binoculars in all conditions".
I think temmie would agree with the last statement: Much of the money.
I'm guessing they actually wrote "Much FOR the money."
Brock
With the "Big Three" all having mid-tier bins now, plus competition at that price point from Nikon, Kowa, Pentax, Meopta, Vortex and Alpen, personal preferences including performance vs. price are bound to enter purchase decisions except perhaps for Leica Loyalists, who are more likely to stick with their brand and buy either model.
I agree that nothing beats a hands-on test/comparison with bins. However, since these are not available anywhere near me, I wanted to see what a reviewer had to say about them.
I ran the link on Babel Fish for Dutch to English, but it didn't work. Could be because it's a pdf file.
So I just copied the mini-review next to the bin and tried Google Translate and this is what it came up with:
"Not tested against the light yet. Trinovid is Leica's new, affordable model series.
Very sharp binoculars in all conditions. Ideal for hunters because of its high contrast, allowing the telescope to one of the best-8x42 binoculars in twilight. Missing AquaDura-coating. Practical all round binocular with remarkable qualities in twilight in relation to its price. Much of the money."
Not sure what they mean by "not tested against the light yet" when in the next breath they say "Very sharp binoculars in all conditions".
I think temmie would agree with the last statement: Much of the money.
I'm guessing they actually wrote "Much FOR the money."
Brock
Brock
I don't understand the against the light bit. Think that brand loyalty probably goes across the board with the different makes. I had the original Trinovid's and in many ways wish I'd kept them! Have since had swaro's which were good but as I had bought 8x30 just didn't suit me. I like the debate and enjoy reading everyone's views. In no way would I presume to try and persuade anyone which are the best, I know which I like and am really happy with them. Also have a pair of Hawke's as back up and for the money they are absolutely outstanding.
Best regards
Phil
I don't understand the against the light bit. Think that brand loyalty probably goes across the board with the different makes. I had the original Trinovid's and in many ways wish I'd kept them! Have since had swaro's which were good but as I had bought 8x30 just didn't suit me. I like the debate and enjoy reading everyone's views. In no way would I presume to try and persuade anyone which are the best, I know which I like and am really happy with them. Also have a pair of Hawke's as back up and for the money they are absolutely outstanding.
Best regards
Phil
vop
Well-known member
It says "motlys", which means backlighting. Why they haven't tested for it is strange, I mean how difficult is that? Could it be because the result..? Nooo... The Ultravid HD is brilliant in backlighting, according to the test.
My point with the joke thing is of course that why would someone pay 5500 Norwegian crowns more for a not as good pair? They better start working on an update for their flagship in that case.
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brocknroller
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brocknroller
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vop,
Thanks for that better translation! Yes, the Ultravids are supposed to be the best alpha for backlit situations, so that would be a good test to perform to see how the new Trinnies compare.
If the Trinnies are not as good, here's a trick. In backlit situations, pull your eyes back from the eyecups. That will reduce the amount of background light hitting your eye, and will increase contrast and detail on the bird.
Brock
