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October Moths (1 Viewer)
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Rubia
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes
14/10. First night of trapping after two nights of rain. About 5 or 6C out there. Original forecast was dry but rain at 23:45 so stopped. After almost 5 hours 3 moths! Beaded Chestnut, Black Rustic and new for the garden a Yellow-line Quaker. The latter I had to chase around the patio for several minutes before catching it.
dantheman
Bah humbug
Temp was 3C on both this am - one is a min and max gauge. We're 4 or 5 miles inland and 130m above sea level - Falmouth is on the coast so 0m +
Last night 14th Oct - 14 of 7.
Merveille de Jour - 1, on outside at 9pm, not there in morning
SHCharacter - 2
Feathered Ranunculus - 1
Black Rustic - 2
Large Yellow Underwing -2
Lunar Underwing - 3
Beaded Chestnut - 3
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JWN Andrewes
Poor Judge of Pasta.
Two new moths for me overnight, a Red-line Quaker that I potted off the back wall last night and a Brindled Green in the trap this morning. Also 4 Common Marbled Carpets, 3 November Moths agg (is there ever any way of clinching any of them, or are they all best left as aggregates), and singles of Angle Shades, Barred & Pink-barred Sallow and Red-green Carpet.
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dantheman
Bah humbug
From what I can make out, no, which seems a shame.
https://www.norfolkmoths.co.uk/index.php?bf=17990&abh=70.106&next=yes
Scroll through on 'next' for them all.
Rubia
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes
November Moths -This from my county recorder -
It is quite impossible to separate November Moth from Pale November Moth on the basis of wing pattern, position of discal spot or whatever. Both species have identical forms and there is considerable variation within the rather restricted theme. If we are going to name them at all then we may as well get it right!
Proper dissection is not necessary. Simply use an artist’s brush to brush away the scales on the tip of the abdomen, on the underside, to render visible the last abdominal segment. This is adorned with two spines on the rear edge and the position of these, with care, is diagnostic. If there are no such spines, the moth is either a female [ID not possible] or something quite different that you have wrongly identified. Look at the dissection website at https://mothdissection.co.uk/ and select “macro moths” then “Geometridae”. The list has scientific and English names in separate columns and you can also arrange the lists alphabetically if you wish. Once you have reached either “November Moth” or “Epirrita” there is a comparison image which shows the differences clearly.
It is quite impossible to separate November Moth from Pale November Moth on the basis of wing pattern, position of discal spot or whatever. Both species have identical forms and there is considerable variation within the rather restricted theme. If we are going to name them at all then we may as well get it right!
Proper dissection is not necessary. Simply use an artist’s brush to brush away the scales on the tip of the abdomen, on the underside, to render visible the last abdominal segment. This is adorned with two spines on the rear edge and the position of these, with care, is diagnostic. If there are no such spines, the moth is either a female [ID not possible] or something quite different that you have wrongly identified. Look at the dissection website at https://mothdissection.co.uk/ and select “macro moths” then “Geometridae”. The list has scientific and English names in separate columns and you can also arrange the lists alphabetically if you wish. Once you have reached either “November Moth” or “Epirrita” there is a comparison image which shows the differences clearly.
JWN Andrewes
Poor Judge of Pasta.
Cheers. I've had five over the last two sessions, so hopefully there will be more and I can give that a try.
dantheman
Bah humbug
Macro moths reported on this thread this month -
1. Pale Mottled Willow
Common Marbled Carpet
Snout
Barred Sallow
Garden Carpet
Red-green Carpet
Brimstone
Lunar Underwing
Shuttle-shaped Dart
Green-brindled Crescent
11. Black Rustic
Setaceous Hebrew Character
Square Spot Rustic
Large Yellow Underwing
Mallow
Lesser Yellow Underwing
Autumnal Rustic
Feathered Ranunculus
Beaded Chestnut
Spruce Carpet
21. Dark Swordgrass
Chestnut
Gem
Merveille du Jour
Grey Shoulder-knot
Turnip Moth
Light Emerald
Hummingbird Hawk-moth
Rosy Rustic
Blair's Shoulder-knot
31. Deep-brown Dart
Willow Beauty
Juniper Carpet
November Moth agg
Figure of Eight
Yellow-line Quaker
Red-line Quaker
Angle Shades
39. Pink-barred Sallow
1. Pale Mottled Willow
Common Marbled Carpet
Snout
Barred Sallow
Garden Carpet
Red-green Carpet
Brimstone
Lunar Underwing
Shuttle-shaped Dart
Green-brindled Crescent
11. Black Rustic
Setaceous Hebrew Character
Square Spot Rustic
Large Yellow Underwing
Mallow
Lesser Yellow Underwing
Autumnal Rustic
Feathered Ranunculus
Beaded Chestnut
Spruce Carpet
21. Dark Swordgrass
Chestnut
Gem
Merveille du Jour
Grey Shoulder-knot
Turnip Moth
Light Emerald
Hummingbird Hawk-moth
Rosy Rustic
Blair's Shoulder-knot
31. Deep-brown Dart
Willow Beauty
Juniper Carpet
November Moth agg
Figure of Eight
Yellow-line Quaker
Red-line Quaker
Angle Shades
39. Pink-barred Sallow
Jabberwocky
Well-known member
Showers forecast last night but I trapped anyway. It poured down at 9pm but I left the trap running until 6am. 27 of 9 my reward. 8 Beaded Chestnut, 4 Chestnut, 3 each of Black Rustic, Green-brindled Crescent and Barred Sallow, 2 Angle Shades and Yellow-line Quaker (NFY), a Sallow and a Brown-spot Pinion( new for October list above).
Its rained again today, that makes 24 consecutive days, I'm getting sick of it now.
Its rained again today, that makes 24 consecutive days, I'm getting sick of it now.
JWN Andrewes
Poor Judge of Pasta.
Silver Y to add to Dan's list this morning. Also three each of Common Marbled & Red-green Carpets and November Moth aggs (two are in the fridge for closer inspection after work), two Spruce Carpets and singles of Black Rustic and Red-line Quaker.
Rubia
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes
You guys obviously did better than me. I trapped from 19:00 till 23.45 again when it started to rain. I had 2 moths Merveille du Jour and Yellow-line Quaker. At least I thought I had 2 but found a Black Rustic on the kitchen floor this morning so it must have followed me in at some point during the evening. It was very cold again.
The up from Sept 15th was getting some gen dets back yesterday on 4 micros. Three were new for the garden so that moved me on to 416. A fifth turned out to be a micro-Caddisfly, that really looked like a micro moth, called Oxyetheria falcata (they have pictures in NatureSpot website for those who want to see one). I was oblivious to their existence.
The up from Sept 15th was getting some gen dets back yesterday on 4 micros. Three were new for the garden so that moved me on to 416. A fifth turned out to be a micro-Caddisfly, that really looked like a micro moth, called Oxyetheria falcata (they have pictures in NatureSpot website for those who want to see one). I was oblivious to their existence.
Farnboro John
Well-known member
Had to scrape my car windscreen this morning, says it all really, but two moths in the trap: Black Rustic and Red-line Quaker, both NFY.
John
John
JWN Andrewes
Poor Judge of Pasta.
I had a go. I was not proficient, let's just leave it at that.
Rubia
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes
16/10. Trapped till 00:30 and the rain set in, using both traps. 26 moths of 13 species, biggest count of the month. Red-green Carpet, 3 Barred Sallow, 3 Merveille du Jour, 3 Shuttle-shaped Dart, 2 Yellow-line Quaker, 2 Black Rustic, Green-brindled Crescent f. capucina, 3 Setaceous Hebrew Character, 4 Beaded Chestnut, Lesser Yellow Underwing, Lunar Underwing, Chestnut and November Moth agg.
Nice to get a reasonable number for a change and offers a bit of hope for the next few nights.
The actinic pulled in more than the MV but it could just be positioning that made the difference.
Nice to get a reasonable number for a change and offers a bit of hope for the next few nights.
The actinic pulled in more than the MV but it could just be positioning that made the difference.
dantheman
Bah humbug
Reasonable here too - 23 of 9
Lunar Underwing 9 (Including one with unusually dark hindwing)
Black Rustic 4
Beaded Chestnut 3
Merveille de Jour 2
Garden Carpet 1
Large Yellow Underwing 1
Setaceous Hebrew Character 1
Red-line Quaker 1 NFG
Pug sp. 1 (think DS Pug most likely, but will check it out)
Lot of size variation in the Beaded Chestnuts too.
Lunar Underwing 9 (Including one with unusually dark hindwing)
Black Rustic 4
Beaded Chestnut 3
Merveille de Jour 2
Garden Carpet 1
Large Yellow Underwing 1
Setaceous Hebrew Character 1
Red-line Quaker 1 NFG
Pug sp. 1 (think DS Pug most likely, but will check it out)
Lot of size variation in the Beaded Chestnuts too.
earthdragon64
Lurker
The overnight low temperature was 6.0c, so just 2 moths again, Red-green Carpet and Green-brindled Crescent.
JWN Andrewes
Poor Judge of Pasta.
Feathered Thorn to add to Dan's list from last night, a tick for me along with Yellow-line Quaker (two of) and what I'm pretty sure is a Chestnut. Also Figure of Eight, Satellite, Barred Sallow, three Red-line Quakers, a rather tatty Copper Underwing, Silver Y and Garden and two Red-green Carpets.
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dantheman
Bah humbug
Looks good, doesn't it. :t:
