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Anything possible to ID from this batch of birds? Kazakhstan

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Old Saturday 24th August 2019, 14:58   #1
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Anything possible to ID from this batch of birds? Kazakhstan

Aksu-Zhabagly Nature Reserve, 4.7.2019
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Old Saturday 24th August 2019, 15:13   #2
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I'll try some.

1. Looks like a Kestrel.
2. Upper bird Egyptian Vulture
3. Egyptian Vulture.

I'll leave rest to experts...
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Old Saturday 24th August 2019, 15:19   #3
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Passerine possibly a White-winged Lark out of breeding plumage or a juv...

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Old Saturday 24th August 2019, 15:20   #4
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1. looks like Common Kestrel.
2. Egyptian Vulture with either a Himalayan or Griffon Vulture.
3. Egyptian Vulture.
4. a Lark?
5. possibly a juvenile Egyptian Vulture but really not sure.
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Old Saturday 24th August 2019, 15:27   #5
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They don't occur here but further north on the steppes there.
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Old Saturday 24th August 2019, 15:30   #6
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could nr 4. be possibly corn bunting?
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Old Saturday 24th August 2019, 17:15   #7
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1- Kestrel,
2- Egyptian Vulture and Cinereous Vulture,
3- Egyptian Vulture ad.,
4- unidentifiable
5- Golden Eagle.
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Yes, 5 does look like a Golden Eagle - compare with this image: https://cottonwoodphoto.photoshelter...000YmjqORdNI3Y

emilj_j, is the larger Vulture in the 2nd image the same bird as in your other thread?
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yes, it's the same bird as in other thread which I mistakenly identified as golden eagle
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I lightened the image of the bird you posted on the other thread. The ruff still looks white to me and the body of the bird has started to look warm brown, especially the side of the nape and upper breast. Looking at Forsman, underwing bars as shown by this bird should only be present in heavily moulting birds, so perhaps that's an explanation. Was this bird as dark as it appears in the photos?
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I had a ranger with me, and she identified nr. 4 as corn bunting. there should be also golden eagle on one of the photos, it must be then nr 5
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if my memory serves me well, it was dark. ranger identified quite a few birds as black vulture, I presume it's other name for cinereous vulture
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if my memory serves me well, it was dark. ranger identified quite a few birds as black vulture, I presume it's other name for cinereous vulture
Yes it is.
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if my memory serves me well, it was dark. ranger identified quite a few birds as black vulture, I presume it's other name for cinereous vulture
Yes. "Cinereous" is an American renaming (so they could keep 'Black Vulture' unaltered for Coragyps atratus), highly inappropriate, as 'cinereous' means pale greyish-white (the colour of ashes), completely wrong for Aegypius monachus. High time it was deleted from the official lists.
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Yes. "Cinereous" is an American renaming (so they could keep 'Black Vulture' unaltered for Coragyps atratus), highly inappropriate, as 'cinereous' means pale greyish-white (the colour of ashes), completely wrong for Aegypius monachus. High time it was deleted from the official lists.
You cannot be Cinereous!
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Once again led by the nose with vernacular - as for the Lark/Bunting and supposed ‘range’ i had better take the Black Lark on Anglesey off my list because, well, it shouldn’t occur there.....

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Once again led by the nose with vernacular - as for the Lark/Bunting and supposed ‘range’ i had better take the Black Lark on Anglesey off my list because, well, it shouldn’t occur there.....

Laurie
Though I get your point, I don't think you could claim what would an extremely rare vagrant there from such a poor photo, which is probably not 100% reliable identifiable. Aksu is a fabulous place having been there 8 or 9 times.
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A mate went on a guided tour there last year and thorougly loved it - the downside being that the group birder was unavailable so they provided a.....botanist and too long was spent travelling through habitat that they seemed to have passed through hours ago - they complained and got.....20 quid back

I would like to visit and he drives so it will be a DIY a-la-Stratford

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Yes. "Cinereous" is an American renaming (so they could keep 'Black Vulture' unaltered for Coragyps atratus), highly inappropriate, as 'cinereous' means pale greyish-white (the colour of ashes), completely wrong for Aegypius monachus. High time it was deleted from the official lists.
Still used in HBW Alive : https://www.hbw.com/species/cinereou...ypius-monachus
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