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Old Friday 4th October 2019, 07:35   #301
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Well ime only just recovering from the none launch of the DL24-500 ,the Z50 with no IBIS is another letdown, before i read the details it was on my list of possibilities
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Well ime only just recovering from the none launch of the DL24-500 ,the Z50 with no IBIS is another letdown, before i read the details it was on my list of possibilities
Really? I couldn't care less if it has IBIS or not. On the contrary, IBIS is just another component that may fail. For bird photography I need high shutter speeds anyway, and for everything else VR is good enough as far as I'm concerned.

Not every feature is necessarily a must-have.

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Old Monday 7th October 2019, 05:37   #303
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Really? I couldn't care less if it has IBIS or not. On the contrary, IBIS is just another component that may fail. For bird photography I need high shutter speeds anyway, and for everything else VR is good enough as far as I'm concerned.

Not every feature is necessarily a must-have.

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I do apologise for having different needs to you

My photography is on the downhill slide due to various reasons including age, after 40 years with Nikon i was forced to change to save bulk and weight.
Although i dont have any real complaints about m4/3 i would like to return to Nikon.

I thought a Z body i could afford if it had IBIS would allow me to use the Nikon 300mm f4 and on occasion the 1.4 tc with it, i need VR or IBIS.

Being on the pension now i need to give more thought to what i spend so the 300mm PF i decided was too expensive.

I do understand what you are saying but please remember one size does not fit all.
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Sorry if I came across far more strongly than I wanted. My apologies.

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I thought a Z body i could afford if it had IBIS would allow me to use the Nikon 300mm f4 and on occasion the 1.4 tc with it, i need VR or IBIS.
Yep, with the 300/f4 + 1.4 VR or Ibis makes a lot of sense. And the previous version of the 300 doesn't have VR, so Ibis helps a lot.

In fact, thinking about it, I still have my old 400mm/f5.6 IF-ED going back to the times of film photography. That should work well with a body that has Ibis, at least with stationary birds.

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Being on the pension now i need to give more thought to what i spend so the 300mm PF i decided was too expensive.
I'm still on the fence about the 300 PF. Not on a pension yet, but I will be in two years time, so I don't want to spend too much money right now. At the moment I make do with the AF-P 70-300 FX as my walk-about lens, a fantastic lens taking into account how (relatively) little it costs.

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Old Monday 7th October 2019, 11:38   #305
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Strange positioning of this 'Z50'. You would think that being D7xxx level that it would come with IBIS. It really should be more of a Sony a6600 competitor, only at a less customer gouging price.

Sony's pricing is off the planet considering all the 'old' tech in them - they really have taken the foot off the development accelerator and have slowed to a CaNikon market niche protection model - only with the added complexity of having legacy models sold alongside the newer superceding ones .......

I could understand entry level APS-C Mirrorless Z models that mirror the market positions of the D3xxx, and D5xxx not having IBIS, but not having that in the supposedly 'Prosumer' level D7xxx Mirrorless equivalent seems rather strange to me. Perhaps protecting existing DSLR lines figures rather too heavily, and this particular Leopard isn't ready to ditch it's spots any time soon ......




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Sorry if I came across far more strongly than I wanted. My apologies.



Yep, with the 300/f4 + 1.4 VR or Ibis makes a lot of sense. And the previous version of the 300 doesn't have VR, so Ibis helps a lot.

In fact, thinking about it, I still have my old 400mm/f5.6 IF-ED going back to the times of film photography. That should work well with a body that has Ibis, at least with stationary birds.



I'm still on the fence about the 300 PF. Not on a pension yet, but I will be in two years time, so I don't want to spend too much money right now. At the moment I make do with the AF-P 70-300 FX as my walk-about lens, a fantastic lens taking into account how (relatively) little it costs.

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Perhaps the way i read it.

I have seen two different comments from 300mm users that the original has the edge on IQ compared with the PF, i would like the PF though after trying it on my Nikon V2.
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Old Wednesday 9th October 2019, 08:58   #308
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Nice find Mike ! Looks tiny .....

Apparently it is being marketed as "Chic. Ergonomic. Tough."
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Nice find Mike ! Looks tiny .....

Apparently it is being marketed as "Chic. Ergonomic. Tough."
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Old Thursday 10th October 2019, 05:46   #311
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Cool Z50

Yes - here it is:
https://m.dpreview.com/news/10892627...ra-for-z-mount
https://m.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon...traffic_source

A solid offering, that offers handy "features" for 'non-photographers'.

The 16-50 f3.5-f6.3 kit lens (w/body for $999) is a nice compact offering, so if you are going to split the lens offering up into 2 that's a win - makes the whole thing handbag sized - though I wish they would have squeezed half a stop more speed out of it. Especially as the 15-45 or 16-50 competition mostly manage f5.6 on the long end.

As per the marketing, it should appeal to the 'instagram' travel crowd, though with mobile phones now covering genuine 16mm ultra wide angle to 52mm normal (or soon 80mm 'tele') and being much better at computational photography - artificial bokeh, night modes, hdr, etc - you have to wonder if this is a very nice camera ............... for 2015

As mentioned in the DPReview initial impressions - the other issue is just how exactly does it stand out from the competition ?? There are at least 4 virtually identical offerings save Brand Name .....

It almost seems like the 'Toyota' of product offerings ......




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Old Thursday 10th October 2019, 12:01   #312
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Got my twin lens kit ordered,now the long wait.
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Wow !

What swayed you over a Canon M6 II, or Fujifilm X-T30 for example ?



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Wow !

What swayed you over a Canon M6 II, or Fujifilm X-T30 for example ?



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Over 40 years of Nikon helped

I have been longing for the rebirth of the Nikon 1, this i think is the closest we will get.
The body is lighter than my EM1MK11.
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Over 40 years of Nikon helped

I have been longing for the rebirth of the Nikon 1, this i think is the closest we will get.
The body is lighter than my EM1MK11.


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I've had a number of APS-C sensor cameras, and recently got a Canon M100 with a similar 2 lenses as the Z50, for $600 USD (standard price).

While the critics beat up on the M100 for its "beginner simplicity", I find it to be a full-featured "prosumer" camera with decent image quality.

I also see the Z50 as very attractive, since it's a Nikon, and following their Z6 and Z7, I'd expect the quality to be comparable. The features look pretty good too.
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Old Thursday 10th October 2019, 18:44   #317
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Hope the 'NIKKOR Z 200-600mm Zoom Lens' becomes available to reflex Nikons.

Other lenses announced today;
NIKKOR Z 28mm Prime Lens
NIKKOR Z 40mm Prime Lens
NIKKOR Z 60mm Micro Prime Lens
NIKKOR Z 105mm Micro S Prime Lens
NIKKOR Z 24-105mm S Zoom Lens
NIKKOR Z 100-400mm S Zoom Lens
NIKKOR Z DX 18-140mm Zoom Lens
NIKKOR Z 24-200mm Zoom Lens
NIKKOR Z 200-600mm Zoom Lens
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Over 40 years of Nikon helped

I have been longing for the rebirth of the Nikon 1, this i think is the closest we will get.
The body is lighter than my EM1MK11.
That is a light camera! The Z50 + 500mm f/5.6 PF is only 1.83kg (4.07 lb). That is almost as light as the Em1m2 + 100-400 at 1.56kg (3.46 lb), which is, AFAIK, the lightest long-reach PDAF birding camera. The d7500 + 500mm comes in at 2.07kg (4.60 lb).

I wonder how the AF and tracking is on the Z50?

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Hope the 'NIKKOR Z 200-600mm Zoom Lens' becomes available to reflex Nikons.

Other lenses announced today;
NIKKOR Z 28mm Prime Lens
NIKKOR Z 40mm Prime Lens
NIKKOR Z 60mm Micro Prime Lens
NIKKOR Z 105mm Micro S Prime Lens
NIKKOR Z 24-105mm S Zoom Lens
NIKKOR Z 100-400mm S Zoom Lens
NIKKOR Z DX 18-140mm Zoom Lens
NIKKOR Z 24-200mm Zoom Lens
NIKKOR Z 200-600mm Zoom Lens
I don't think that will be possible.

For starters we don't know what the aperture range of this new Z superzoom is - we can only hope it's f5.6 at the long end. So we don't know if it is based on the optical design of the 200-500, and really, that lens needs to get lighter not heavier.

If it is purpose designed for the shorter Z FFL (as you would hope it would be to minimize size/weight), then there is no way to modify it for the F mount.

If is is a dual purpose design to suit the F and Z mount, then the Z mount version will have effectively an extender tube at the end and so won't be as small and light as possible.

We know it will be a FF design, so will give an equivalent focal length range of 300-900mm when mounted on a Z mount APS-C camera such as the new Z50, or its bound to follow bigger brother(s).

It will be interesting to see the final design - size/weight.

So far Nikon seems to be virtually converting some existing designs (particularly zooms) resulting in bigger and heavier (but quicker to market) lenses, with very few completely new designs that take full advantage of the Z mount capabilities.




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So far Nikon seems to be virtually converting some existing designs (particularly zooms) resulting in bigger and heavier (but quicker to market) lenses, with very few completely new designs that take full advantage of the Z mount capabilities.
That would be my strategy as well. Making completely new design I suspect would be more costly, and they are to be used with a system that so far is still needing to prove itself regarding earnings power.

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That would be my strategy as well. Making completely new design I suspect would be more costly, and they are to be used with a system that so far is still needing to prove itself regarding earnings power.
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That's a real shame. People beat up on Leica because of their high prices and botique marketing, but they do occasionally make breakthrough products without concern for protecting other lines. Such as introducing the Q2 at 47mp when the SL remains at 24mp. Or when they introduced 3 new breakthrough cameras at once in Sept. 2009.

Nikon could have made the Z50 a real challenge to Fuji, but I suspect Fuji is breathing a sigh of relief right now.
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Hopefully faster computers will mean better and faster lens designs these days. I would expect Nikon to make a similar 200-600mm lens to Sony. Maybe f6.3 at the long end.
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Hopefully faster computers will mean better and faster lens designs these days. I would expect Nikon to make a similar 200-600mm lens to Sony. Maybe f6.3 at the long end.
Maybe the design Sony used was purchased from a third party and perhaps it will also be available to Nikon?

However, I really hope it's f5.6 at the long end - it helps in all sorts of ways as light levels drop from peak.

I also hope they really concentrate on bringing it in at less than 2kg via some lightweight though weather sealed materials.

To match the small mirrorless bodies and grips it should also be as small and rearward weight balanced as possible, while delivering on that f5.6 long end. They should also also try to offer a level of sharpness above what the third party lenses already offer ......




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Not quite a Nikon 1 replacement but close
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Not quite a Nikon 1 replacement but close
Looking at that comparison picture - can you Imagine! a Full Frame sensor in that little Z50 body with pancake and compact zoom lenses ?! (I'm sure Nikon can't unfortunately :(

As I was reading the details of the Z50 for the first time it did strike me that the whole concept was reminiscent of the 1 series, in that it seems to have some handicaps, and no knockout killer blows. It seems Nikon wants it in its place and only in it's place. I hope the whole thing is not deja vu ...... again !

I really wish Nikon would resurrect the 1 series and un-hobble it so that it could compete. If only Nikon had made the Z mount's FFL 17mm like the 1 series there would have been some compatibility potential across 3 formats ! Nikon just wasn't thinking !

This is DPReview's take on Nikon's APS-C strategy (Canon too).
https://m.dpreview.com/opinion/41787...aps-c-strategy

I have to say that if this is anywhere close to the mark, then I have grave concerns for Nikon's, and the Industry's future. It seems APS-C development will again take place at snails pace, and the potential hobbled (yet again). They will still be protecting their Full Frame market segments as the whole lot is carted off to the grave dug by billion$ of cellphones .......

So much lost opportunity ......





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