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Old Thursday 13th June 2019, 07:42   #51
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Awesome work!

My suggestion :

I divided Ploceus into 3 subgenera (Deignaniplectes, Ploceela, Ploceus) ;

Quelea into 2 subgenera (Quelea and Queleopsis);

5 subgenera under Euplectes (Taha, Paraplectes, Euplectes, Brachycope and Coliuspasser)

[That said, taking into account the time of divergence of each genus , I could eventually raise them to generic rank]

I recognise 2 genera within the African weavers, Malimbus and Textor.

Clarification is needed for some Plocepasser species and Pseudonigrita cabanisi. However, I reinstate Whitellus for cabanisi
Thank you so much!
and thanks for your suggestions!
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Old Thursday 13th June 2019, 08:37   #52
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Hi guys,
Finally my paper got published!!
So I present to you, a first near species-level molecular phylogeny of the family Ploceidae. Thank you!!
https://academic.oup.com/auk/advance...cgVMUPwsLnryq4
Really great work. Congratulations!
One note. The correct scientific name of Bob-tailed Weaver should be Euplectes anomalus. Euplectes is masculine gender and anomala is variable specific name.
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Old Thursday 13th June 2019, 09:25   #53
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Really great work. Congratulations!
One note. The correct scientific name of Bob-tailed Weaver should be Euplectes anomalus. Euplectes is masculine gender and anomala is variable specific name.


How do we know if a specific name is variable or invariable?
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How do we know if a specific name is variable or invariable?
Specific name is a noun or an adjective. Noun is invariable but more of adjective specific epithets are variable by Latin grammar (gender agreement).
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Really great work. Congratulations!
One note. The correct scientific name of Bob-tailed Weaver should be Euplectes anomalus. Euplectes is masculine gender and anomala is variable specific name.
Thanks Peter!
Noted the name ^_^
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Ploceus baglafecht eremobius

I am wondering what's correct according the code. OD here.
  • Ploceus baglafecht eremobius (Hartlaub, 1887) e.g. Avibase
  • Ploceus baglafecht eremobius (Hartlaub & Emin, 1887) e.g. IOC World bird list

Of course Harlaub refered to Dr. Emin Beys MS. (Anyway if second option is correct why not (Hartlaub & Bey, 1887)?
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Old Thursday 10th October 2019, 08:20   #57
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Bey, Pasha, Freiherr, Comte, Earl, etc, are merely titles, honorifics, not given names. Emin was later "promoted" to Pasha (see eminibey in the Key).
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Old Thursday 10th October 2019, 12:01   #58
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"Hartlaub" is correct.

The description is quoted from "Emin Bey MS.", but the name is not attributed to him.

The default is always: author of the name = author of the work. To depart from this default, it must be clear from the content of the work that someone else was responsible for BOTH the name itself (i.e., the name should be explicitly attributed to that other person) AND the fulfillment of the conditions of availability other than the publication (i.e., that other person should have personally written the description). Here only the second condition is fulfilled, thus the default still applies.

(Note that, in fact, it is completely unclear that Emin Bey intended the description quoted by Hartlaub to be that of a new bird. In its MS form, the description could as well have appeared under a header of, say, "Symplectes emini", with the assumption that the bird being described was this taxon; Hartlaub alone, upon reading it (and/or, perhaps, seeing the specimen before it went missing), might then have recognised that a new taxon was involved, and coined a name for it.)

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