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Old Wednesday 17th October 2018, 15:32   #1
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Raptor i.d. help in n.y.

Some i.d. help needed for these two hawks.these were sighted yesterday on a rather busy migration day for raptors.
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Old Wednesday 17th October 2018, 16:00   #2
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Both look like Red-tailed Hawk to me.
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Old Wednesday 17th October 2018, 16:26   #3
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Isn't the first one a Broad-winged Hawk?
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I would call them both Broad-Winged. Fine barring across the belly rather than the streaks and belt of Red-Tailed.
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Right. I think I was wrong about #1 which looks better for Broad-wing. It also lacks the mottled scapulars of Red-tail. Pass on #2.
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Old Wednesday 17th October 2018, 22:36   #6
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Pass on #2.
Probably not as plumage patterns vary so much in Buteo . . . but the whitish face, dark upper breast and orangey-brown lower breast are a perfect match for Sibley's pic of adult intermediate morph Swainson's Hawk?
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Interesting discussion, but I would have gone with Red-tailed for both. Can't quite pin down why...
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A couple of Buteos. I'll go with a Red-tailed Hawk on the 1st one based on the size of the Tarsus that I can see in the picture. Its chest and belly markings that I can see could be the makings of a belly band and the scapular markings visible could be that of a RTH. Basically I can't rule out a Red-tailed Hawk in this picture and that is the first rule in identifying North American Hawks.

2nd one is tougher; it is not a good picture. The wings show 4 fingers, typical of a Broad-winged Hawk.

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