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Old Tuesday 5th April 2011, 19:48   #1
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Laniidae

Panov 2011. The True Shrikes (Laniidae) of the World.
http://www.pensoft.net/book/10803/th...e-of-the-world

The table of contents suggests some interesting taxonomic discussion.
  • Maintains the 2-way (northern/southern) split of Lanius excubitor/meridionalis (as widely recognised in recent years, contra Olsson et al 2010).

  • Recognises L giganteus 'Giant Shrike' (Olsson et al 2010 suggests probably merits species rank, IOC lists as a proposed split 'Tibetan Grey Shrike').

  • Recognises L phoenicuroides 'Turkestan Shrike' (as CSNA, IOC, OSME, China BR), but not L arenarius (CSNA).

  • Maintains nomenclature speculigerus/isabellinus (contra now-widely-adopted isabellinus/arenarius).
    [See www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=149630]
[Thanks to Brian Small for posting on Surfbirds Bird Forums.]

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What taxa are included with meridionalis Richard?
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Old Wednesday 6th April 2011, 08:52   #3
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What taxa are included with meridionalis Richard?
Brian, it's not clear from the TOC, but Panov & Bannikova 2010 (On the validity of the 'Steppe Grey Shrike' as an independent species, Sandgrouse 32(2)) includes koenigi, algeriensis, elegans, leucopygos (incl 'jebelmarrae'), aucheri, buryi, uncinatus, lahtora, pallidirostris as sspp of L meridionalis.

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Panov 2011. The True Shrikes (Laniidae) of the World.
http://www.pensoft.net/book/10803/th...e-of-the-world
Review by Martin Collinson. BB 104(11): 676-677.

Review by David Callahan. Birdwatch 231(Sep2011): 61.

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Panov 2011. The True Shrikes (Laniidae) of the World.
http://www.pensoft.net/book/10803/th...e-of-the-world
Review by Norbert Lefranc. Ibis 154(1): 225-226.
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Re: Lanius lahulensis

Taxonomic status of eight Asian shrike species (Lanius): phylogenetic analysis based on Cyt b and CoI gene sequences
Authors: Zhang, Wei; Lei, Fu-Min; Liang, Gang; Yin, Zuo-Hua; Zhao, Hong-Feng; Wang, Hong-Jian; Krištín, Anton
Source: Acta Ornithologica, Volume 42, Number 2, December 2007 , pp. 173-180(8)
Publisher: Museum and Institute of Zoology, Polish Academy of Sciences
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Long-tailed Shrike

Dian-Cheng Yang, Li-Fang Peng & Chang-Hu Lu (2016): Sequencing and analysis of the complete mitochondrial genome of long-tailed Shrike, Lanius schach (Aves: Laniidae), Mitochondrial DNA Part B

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Lanius sphenocercus sphenocercus

Mei-Xia Yang, Qing-Xiong Wang, Hong Xiao & Chao Yang. Sequencing complete mitochondrial genome of Lanius sphenocercus sphenocercus (Passeriformes: Laniidae) using Illunima HiSeq 2500. Mitochondrial DNA Part B: Resources, Volume 1, Issue 1, 2016.

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Loggerhead Shrike

Rutledge L.Y., Coxon A. & White B.N., 2017. Genetic assessment of the San Clemente Island Loggerhead Shrike reveals evidence of historical gene flow with Santa Catalina Island. Global Ecol. Conserv. 11: 42-52.

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IOC update diary:

Jan 2. Treat Steppe Grey Shrike as a subspecies of Great Grey Shrike

That's annoying!
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Jan 2. Treat Steppe Grey Shrike as a subspecies of Great Grey Shrike

That's annoying!
Or a relief for those of us who've never seen one
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Jan 2. Treat Steppe Grey Shrike as a subspecies of Great Grey Shrike

That's annoying!
Why? This is nothing but a matter of opinion. There can be any number of circles when Steppe Grey Shrike is split from Great Grey Shrike and lumped again.

Given the model of publication-based science careers, in fact, you can be almost certain that this will happen. When few years pass with one treatment, some author will make a reverse decision again, because he gains a valuable publication out of nothing.

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Why? This is nothing but a matter of opinion. There can be any number of circles when Steppe Grey Shrike is split from Great Grey Shrike and lumped again.

Given the model of publication-based science careers, in fact, you can be almost certain that this will happen. When few years pass with one treatment, some author will make a reverse decision again, because he gains a valuable publication out of nothing.
I know, hence the
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Jan 2. Treat Steppe Grey Shrike as a subspecies of Great Grey Shrike

That's annoying!
Ummmm... That's actually sensible as an interim step. Since the publication of Olsson [i]et al[i] 2010, the perception of Southern Grey Shrike as a catch-all for widespread Palearctic taxa was clearly on the wane, meridionalis being closer to Nearctic populations than to other Palearctic groups.

Since then, most of these taxa have been included within Great Grey Shrike as a more logical catch-all because their relationships were genetically quite close, but within this new arrangement, several putative splits were suggested, but need to be confirmed (or not) by other DNA techniques. However, in none of the putative splits was pallidirostris (Cassin 1851) monotypic or the senior lineage. It's junior to lahtora (Sykes 1832) if not to aucheri (Bonaparte 1853).

I know of no current research using other DNA techniques to clarify these relationships, and so this IOC change makes sense as an interim position, but I'm happy to stand corrected.
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Anyone with a British list of exactly 500 will be a bit miffed.
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Ten years ago, just before Olsson et al 2010, the taxonomic "progress" was very fast, in various works:

Lanius lahtora pallidirostris (van den Berg 2010)
Lanius excubitor pallidirostris (Svensson et al 2009)
Lanius meridionalis pallidirostis (Yosef 2008)
Lanius pallidirostris (Wassink & Oreel 2007)
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Ummmm... That's actually sensible as an interim step. Since the publication of Olsson [i]et al[i] 2010, the perception of Southern Grey Shrike as a catch-all for widespread Palearctic taxa was clearly on the wane, meridionalis being closer to Nearctic populations than to other Palearctic groups.

Since then, most of these taxa have been included within Great Grey Shrike as a more logical catch-all because their relationships were genetically quite close, but within this new arrangement, several putative splits were suggested, but need to be confirmed (or not) by other DNA techniques. However, in none of the putative splits was pallidirostris (Cassin 1851) monotypic or the senior lineage. It's junior to lahtora (Sykes 1832) if not to aucheri (Bonaparte 1853).

I know of no current research using other DNA techniques to clarify these relationships, and so this IOC change makes sense as an interim position, but I'm happy to stand corrected.
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I don't disagree with you, it's only annoying for lister, even if it's an interim step
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Ten years ago, just before Olsson et al 2010, the taxonomic "progress" was very fast, in various works:

Lanius lahtora pallidirostris (van den Berg 2010)
Lanius excubitor pallidirostris (Svensson et al 2009)
Lanius meridionalis pallidirostis (Yosef 2008)
Lanius pallidirostris (Wassink & Oreel 2007)
I think I'm right in saying that van den Berg 2010 was written after Arnoud had access to the draft Olsson et al 2010 (which briefly was assumed to be published with a 2009 date): and in Svensson et al 2009, Killian Mullarney was unable to persuade Lars to make a provisional decision to depart from the overall arrangement of Vaurie 1955 of attributing a host of taxa to meridionalis. Interestingly, prior to that 1955 decision, Vaurie had proposed an arrangement whereby most of these taxa were attributed to excubitor, noting that the conclusions he could reach for either arrangement were about as equally strong, or conversely, equally weak.

Also, Reuven Josef was simply agreeing with Vaurie 1955, as I remember. Arend and Gerard in their 2007 article were I think going along with CSNA ideas of 2005-6.
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Jérôme Fuchs Per Alström Reuven Yosef Urban Olsson. Miocene diversification of an open‐habitat predatorial passerine radiation, the shrikes (Aves: Passeriformes: Laniidae). Zoologica Scripta. First Published: 13 August 2019. https://doi.org/10.1111/zsc.12363

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Diversification of avifaunas associated with savannah and steppes appears to correlate with open habitats becoming available, starting in the Miocene. Few comparative analyses exist for families for which all species are predominantly adapted to these habitats. One such group is Laniidae (Passeriformes), which are small‐ to medium‐sized predatory passerines known for their distinctive behaviour of impaling prey. We used multispecies coalescent‐based and concatenation methods to provide the first complete species‐level phylogeny for this group, as well as an estimate of the timing of diversification. Our analyses indicate that Laniidae as currently delimited is not monophyletic, as the genus Eurocephalus is not closely related to the remaining species. The two species currently assigned to the monotypic genera Urolestes and Corvinella are part of the same clade as the Lanius species, and we propose that they are included in the genus Lanius, making Laniidae monogeneric. The initial diversification of the clade is inferred to have occurred very rapidly, starting about 7.2–9.1 million years ago, timing depending on calibration method, but in either case coinciding with the expansion of C4 grasses. An African origin is inferred in the biogeographic analysis. In the redefined Laniidae, cooperative breeding is inferred to be restricted to a single clade, characterized by gregarious behaviour and rallying. Migratory behaviour evolved multiple times within the family.
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Jérôme Fuchs Per Alström Reuven Yosef Urban Olsson. Miocene diversification of an open‐habitat predatorial passerine radiation, the shrikes (Aves: Passeriformes: Laniidae). Zoologica Scripta. First Published: 13 August 2019. https://doi.org/10.1111/zsc.12363

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Diversification of avifaunas associated with savannah and steppes appears to correlate with open habitats becoming available, starting in the Miocene. Few comparative analyses exist for families for which all species are predominantly adapted to these habitats. One such group is Laniidae (Passeriformes), which are small‐ to medium‐sized predatory passerines known for their distinctive behaviour of impaling prey. We used multispecies coalescent‐based and concatenation methods to provide the first complete species‐level phylogeny for this group, as well as an estimate of the timing of diversification. Our analyses indicate that Laniidae as currently delimited is not monophyletic, as the genus Eurocephalus is not closely related to the remaining species. The two species currently assigned to the monotypic genera Urolestes and Corvinella are part of the same clade as the Lanius species, and we propose that they are included in the genus Lanius, making Laniidae monogeneric. The initial diversification of the clade is inferred to have occurred very rapidly, starting about 7.2–9.1 million years ago, timing depending on calibration method, but in either case coinciding with the expansion of C4 grasses. An African origin is inferred in the biogeographic analysis. In the redefined Laniidae, cooperative breeding is inferred to be restricted to a single clade, characterized by gregarious behaviour and rallying. Migratory behaviour evolved multiple times within the family.
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Our analyses indicate that Laniidae as currently delimited is not monophyletic, as the genus Eurocephalus is not closely related to the remaining species. The two species currently assigned to the monotypic genera Urolestes and Corvinella are part of the same clade as the Lanius species, and we propose that they are included in the genus Lanius, making Laniidae monogeneric.
Can I assume they included Platylophus in the study?
Maybe I should just ask for a copy!
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If you click on supporting information -> figure 4 seems to be their speciestree.
The way I understand it is that Eurocephalus is part of Platylophidae

Can't find the age of the split between Laniidae & Platylophidae, maybe that's in the full pdf?
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