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Old Thursday 24th October 2019, 11:41   #26
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Presumably larger pixels allow for measurably better dynamic range and lower noise, both important factors for pro photographers. What puzzles me is that the megapixel race is still ongoing elsewhere even though the new top tier FF cameras remain at 24MP. The higher MP count requires more processing and more storage, not to mention much tighter lens specification, so where is the benefit?
No commercially available screen offers anywhere near 50MP resolution, so one can only see the increased pixel count by cropping the image or by printing a monster blowup at some expense. It is a puzzlement. Any good explanation apart from market competition?
I think the increased resolution is all about detail, ~60MP FF roughly equalling 24MP APS-C, certainly useful for wildlife /birds. FF would have to get to 80MP to be equivalent to 20MP MFT (roughly also equivalent to Canon's new 32MP APS-C sensor).

The limits to adding more MP (apart from die size and sensor architecture) is processing and memory - that is data transfer internally and externally. Greater requirements here come at greater heat and economic costs. You can pretty much track increasing resolution with these drivers and developments.

With these high speed PRO machines the extra MP is all about flexibility. Flexibility to crop off centre and capture something that otherwise may be missed, or just to present the composition better.

These 2020 PRO machines will be workhorses rather than spec-sheet glamour pusses ..... the big question in my mind is who is going to come out as the AF top dog?

I can only hope such AF and speed improvements flow down to APS-C , D500S, 7D III, and a7000, level next year, as these glacial evolutions don't inspire me to carry 1.4kg of body around (actually these days I don't think anything could now that mirrorless is here - I will wait for a do it all higher res PRO FF mirrorless at about half the weight)




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Old Thursday 24th October 2019, 11:44   #27
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Exclamation Canon Announces .......

The Development Announcement ..........

https://www.dpreview.com/news/940379...traffic_source

Still no resolution given, but it is a new sensor.

Canon certainly is not backwards in coming forward !
"The innovations put forth by the new EOS-1D X Mark III will set the new standard for professional DSLR cameras and further cement Canon’s commitment to its professional photographers"

We shall see .......





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you can purchase a 6k camera today ... https://petapixel.com/2019/05/31/pan...orless-camera/

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Old Thursday 24th October 2019, 19:17   #29
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B&H has the 1dxIII listed with some specs

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...iii.html/specs

Updated CMOS Sensor and DIGIC Processors
16 fps Shooting with Viewfinder
20 fps Shooting During Live View
4K 10-Bit 4:2:2 Internal Video Recording

When using the optical viewfinder the camera will use a new autofocus sensor, with approximately 28 times the resolution in the center of the EOS-1D X Mark II.

In Live View mode, users will be able to make use of 525 AF areas using the Dual Pixel CMOS AF system will cover approximately 90x100 percent of the image sensor.
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Old Friday 25th October 2019, 00:58   #30
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you can purchase a 6k camera today ... https://petapixel.com/2019/05/31/pan...orless-camera/

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Not many 6K monitors though, but Dell does have an 8K on offer for $3900, much less than the price of a 1DXIII.
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Old Friday 25th October 2019, 02:57   #31
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you can purchase a 6k camera today ... https://petapixel.com/2019/05/31/pan...orless-camera/

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Niels, earlier rumours had this 1DX III being 6K capable, but I'm not seeing any reference to that in the Development Announcement. Canon would need a 24MP sensor for this, and while we can guess this is at least the resolution of the new sensor, we don't know for sure yet.

The only thing the DA has said for sure about video is this:
"The power of 4K resolution brings stories to life shoot 4K videos including 4K60p with 10-bit 4:2:2 Canon Log internal recording.".

I also didn't see any mention of IBIS in the DA, so performance vs the D6 in this regard will be a rather interesting battle of video and low light capability.

There seems enough wiggle room in the spec that depending on how the new AF capability pans out, Canon may do a bit better than the Bronze medal dias. It will be interesting ...... :cat:





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Old Saturday 26th October 2019, 05:26   #32
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you can purchase a 6k camera today ... https://petapixel.com/2019/05/31/pan...orless-camera/

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Niels, Interesting that the Panasonic S1H has been certified by Netflix as a primary camera.
https://m.dpreview.com/news/37806804...s-video-camera

The Canon 1DX III should also be suitable though I am not sure yet whether it can meet the 400Mbps requirement internally, or will need an external recording device ....




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Old Wednesday 30th October 2019, 20:21   #33
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I have Canon EOS M6 https://cameravs.com/Canon-EOS-M6 it's quite good for my work. But of course you need to learn photography before shooting, good camera will turn into stone in ignorent arms :-)
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Early details of the 1DX III have it capable of 16fps through the OVF, and 20fps in Live View with the mechanical shutter, so it sounds like a redesigned mechanism. http://dslrbodies.com/newsviews/niko...i-develop.html

There are also enhancements to AF so perhaps they will challenge Nikon in this regard (Nikon has been super silent with details on the D6, so maybe they are digesting the Canon news and making last minute enhancements?)

Hopefully (fingers crossed) Canon have also made the most of the opportunity and fixed up the widely reported 'oil spray' issues as well.





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Interview with men responsible for the 1DX III development

Interesting interview with Mr.Toshio Matsumoto, Senior Principal Engineer, and Mr. Kazuyuki Suzuki, Chief of Operations, from Canon's Image Communication Business group. Mr. Matsumoto is known within Canon as the 'father of the EOS-1'.
https://m.dpreview.com/interviews/68...-mark-iii-2019

As is typical Canon they have let nothing new slip, though I do get the impression they are quietly confident with this MkIII iteration. The interview reveals some fascinating insights into how we got to here with largely 30 year old ergonomics still going strong, and likely future directions that aren't specifically tied to DSLR or Mirrorless. For now enough PRO's favour the view through the OVF, though Canon is keeping a close eye ('see' what I did there ! :) on developments in EVF technology ......





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Question Ibis ?

This rumour suggests that not having IBIS mentioned in the Development Announcement doesn't necessarily rule it out ......

That would be icing on the cake ! .:)

https://www.canonrumors.com/is-there...1d-x-mark-iii/





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Question 6K external recording still a possibility ..... ?

24MP ? or 20MP ?
4K ? or 6K ? video recording ?
https://www.canonrumors.com/5-9k-raw...1d-x-mark-iii/

It seems that Canon are going through the same ructions as Nikon

Whichever way it goes I'd wager that Canon and Nikon will be evenly matched ! The spy games must be getting quite nerve wracking now ........





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Canon EOS-1D X Mark III price released at 4966 ($6,499)

Also Capable of Recording 5.4K RAW Internal Video
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Full Specifications released (via Nokishita)

https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eo...pecifications/
20.1MP
No 6K, No DPAF with 4K 60p
16fps top whack (20fps in Live View)
400K RGB metering sensor

It will be interesting to see how this stacks up against the Sony A9II performance wise (we won't even go into ergonomics ! :)






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Old Tuesday 7th January 2020, 03:58   #40
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Smile Canon's EOS-1D X Mark III Released !!!

Canon's EOS-1D X Mark III brings a new sensor, Dual Pixel AF and 5.5K Raw video
Mid-February availability for US $6499
https://m.dpreview.com/news/82412291...5-5k-raw-video




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Old Tuesday 7th January 2020, 10:12   #41
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Headline Specs

Key specifications:
  • Updated 20.1MP CMOS sensor with Dual Pixel AF
  • Digic X processor
  • HEIF 10-bit recording (supports HDR display at smaller-than-JPEG sizes)
  • 16fps bursts (viewfinder), 20fps bursts (Live View) with autofocus
  • All-new mirror mechanism to reduce vibration and blackout
    191-pt viewfinder AF system with new 'square pixel' design, 155 cross-type points, Face + head detection, sensitivity to -4 EV, all points support F8 shooting
  • Live View AF system is now 90% horiz / 100% vertical coverage with enhanced eye detection, sensitivity down to -6 EV, supports F11 shooting
  • New AF 'Smart Controller' built into the AF-ON buttons
  • 5.5K/60p 12-bit Raw video recording,
  • 4K/60p 4:2:2 10-bit H.265/HEVC recording
  • Dual CFExpress card slots for virtually unlimited buffer in most situations
  • CIPA rated to 2850 shots with the viewfinder, 610 with Live View using LP-E19 battery
  • Shutter rated to 500k shots





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and people say that the Olympus E-M1X is expensive

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Well it's not for me, I would have preferred more megapixels. As a stills shooter only, I don't seeing it bringing much to the table above the 1DX2 that I currently use.
My 1DX2 is, touch wood, cleared of the oil spray issue. I think it may have been over lubed to start with, I also turned it down to 10fps and it's been brilliant for some time now
I'm sure the 1DX3 will be an incredible piece of equipment and the jewel in the crown of what is the best all round camera system.
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Well it's not for me, I would have preferred more megapixels. As a stills shooter only, I don't seeing it bringing much to the table above the 1DX2 that I currently use.
My 1DX2 is, touch wood, cleared of the oil spray issue. I think it may have been over lubed to start with, I also turned it down to 10fps and it's been brilliant for some time now
I'm sure the 1DX3 will be an incredible piece of equipment and the jewel in the crown of what is the best all round camera system.
The ~1.4kg body only is at least twice as much as I want to be lugging around, so I've primarily been interested in the tech and strategic business battle - and also have high hopes of a little brother 7D III spinoff.

I understand that not having a genuine 24MP is very disappointing (it will make no difference to some others). [EDIT]: the answer can be found on page 41 of the Stills White Paper in the following post ..... apparently Canon Pro's are so good that they don't need the extra 4MP compositional crop ability ! :)
Sony is at 24MP with it's a9II , I hope that's at least where Nikon lands too.

The AF system on this new IDX III is the most advanced Canon DSLR example so far. I will be interested in how it stacks up in practice, and how it measures up to the Nikon D5, let alone the D6 ......





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Thumbs up Canon releases IDX III stills and video tech 'White Papers'

https://m.dpreview.com/news/66254980...e-1dx-mark-iii

Stills White Paper:
https://downloads.canon.com/nw/camer...hite_Paper.pdf

Video White Paper:
https://downloads.canon.com/nw/camer...hite_Paper.pdf


I wonder who will be the first manufacturer to use desmodromics in their cameras ...... ?





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[quote=Chosun Juan;3947692]The ~1.4kg body only is at least twice as much as I want to be lugging around, so I've primarily been interested in the tech and strategic business battle - and also have high hopes of a little brother 7D III spinoff.

I understand that not having a genuine 24MP is very disappointing (it will make no difference to some others). [EDIT]: the answer can be found on page 41 of the Stills White Paper in the following post ..... apparently Canon Pro's are so good that they don't need the extra 4MP compositional crop ability ! :)
Sony is at 24MP with it's a9II , I hope that's at least where Nikon lands too.

The AF system on this new IDX III is the most advanced Canon DSLR example so far. I will be interested in how it stacks up in practice, and how it measures up to the Nikon D5, let alone the D6 ......

The af on the 1DX2 is exceptional, It's far more customisable than the Nikon system and some folk either don't or won't get the best from it because of this. I usually find that af failures can either be put down to my operator error or me asking too much of it. It's a bonus if the 1DX3 has improved af but it wouldn't justify the cost for me. Neither do I need the extreme speed, connectivity or video specs.
I'll sit on what I have and wait for the 5D5, no rush. If I don't fancy that, the gear I have will suffice for many more years.
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The ~1.4kg body only is at least twice as much as I want to be lugging around, so I've primarily been interested in the tech and strategic business battle - and also have high hopes of a little brother 7D III spinoff.

I understand that not having a genuine 24MP is very disappointing (it will make no difference to some others). [EDIT]: the answer can be found on page 41 of the Stills White Paper in the following post ..... apparently Canon Pro's are so good that they don't need the extra 4MP compositional crop ability ! :)
Sony is at 24MP with it's a9II , I hope that's at least where Nikon lands too.

The AF system on this new IDX III is the most advanced Canon DSLR example so far. I will be interested in how it stacks up in practice, and how it measures up to the Nikon D5, let alone the D6 ......

The af on the 1DX2 is exceptional, It's far more customisable than the Nikon system and some folk either don't or won't get the best from it because of this. I usually find that af failures can either be put down to my operator error or me asking too much of it. It's a bonus if the 1DX3 has improved af but it wouldn't justify the cost for me. Neither do I need the extreme speed, connectivity or video specs.
I'll sit on what I have and wait for the 5D5, no rush. If I don't fancy that, the gear I have will suffice for many more years.
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Agree with MJN here, the upgrade from the 1DX2 doesn't warrant me splashing out more cash on what is a hobby. I do though think the added connectivity is an attractive proposition but wonder why it wasn't made available in the 1DX2 when the 5D4 at half the price has it all and was launched just 6 months later.
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Canon advertising from DPReview - interesting promotional video of the 1DX III in action specifically photographing birds:
https://m.dpreview.com/articles/7223...-1d-x-mark-iii

Can't say that I'm a fan of all the perch setups and feeding though - is a photograph really worth that impact ? may as well go and photograph caged circus animals .....





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Canon advertising from DPReview - interesting promotional video of the 1DX III in action specifically photographing birds:
https://m.dpreview.com/articles/7223...-1d-x-mark-iii

Can't say that I'm a fan of all the perch setups and feeding though - is a photograph really worth that impact ? may as well go and photograph caged circus animals .....





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Now you really have me wondering if you take avian pictures at all?
In fact do you actually ever get your hands on any of the equipment you pass judgement on or do you simply read through rumours and specifications and make comments based on other peoples opinions?
Time you started sharing some hands on experience and a few photos then I'll start taking notice again about what you have to say.
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Now you really have me wondering if you take avian pictures at all?
In fact do you actually ever get your hands on any of the equipment you pass judgement on or do you simply read through rumours and specifications and make comments based on other peoples opinions?
Time you started sharing some hands on experience and a few photos then I'll start taking notice again about what you have to say.
I don't understand your question in terms of the link I posted (sponsored content), or what I wrote. If you can explain in a way that I will better understand, I will see if I can help out with a response .....





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