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Old Tuesday 5th July 2005, 08:33   #1
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Latvian Falcon

In the light of the recent Swedish record of Amur Falcon, Falco amurensis, the Latvian records commitee have requested comments on an unresolved bird from their files. The details and photographs can be found at :
http://www.ltn.lv/~ofk/ez_falcomuz_rud01eng.htm

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PS I suggest people post any comments here and I'll make sure the Latvians are aware of the thread.

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Old Tuesday 5th July 2005, 09:02   #2
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The back and head seems far to dark for juv rf falcon, while the cheeks and front look too 'white' for hobby - is it possible that hybrid of rf and hobby would produce this colouring on a juv?

Don't know much about Amur falcon (and don't have any books that are helpful) - a quick google found this pic of a juv Amur, looks very similar to the Latvian bird...
http://www.orientalbirdimages.org/ph...9&Birder_ID=71
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Old Tuesday 5th July 2005, 09:55   #3
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looks good on first glance

there are several Amurs on OB images site if memory serves - and we featured a few in an issue of OBC Bulletin a couple of years back

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There's also material here :

http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=32434
http://www.birdforum.net/bird_view.php?bid=173
http://www.birdforum.net/pp_gallery/...si=Amur+Falcon
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Head pattern looks wrong for female and juvenile Amur Falcon.Head pattern is similar to Red-footed falcon, with a tendency to have a longer more tapering moustahce and a darker crown. Take a look at these:
http://www.wwfchina.org/birdgallery/...tm?booknum=510
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Are you sure that this is out of the variation in Amur Falcon? I would have said the head pattern may be a bit different from the average, but not impossible ?
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No Im never completly sure of anything in my mind, but I think that the head pattern is a problem, but as you would sure know, nothing is impossible, or should we say, almost nothing. Here is a 1st winter bird.
http://www.wildbirdgallery.com/image.../amurensis.htm
And one from China (october)
http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures/birds...Kina%20BIG.jpg
And one from S.Africa (december)
http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures/birds...223_BT_1S2.jpg
http://www.praktejder.se/resor/Sydaf...r%20Falcon.htm
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Lee G.R.Evans says om Birdingonthe.Net that the Latvian falcon is "undoubtedly a female Amur Falcon - no doubt whatsoever. The diagnostic head pattern confirme this alone, apart from other features"
Take a look at these:
http://www.orientalbirdimages.org/bi..._Family_ID=110
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