Holger:
Thanks for the reply, I did not think you would post an article and test findings with numbers just using mfr. provided information.
Distortion and the globe effect are complex issues. I thought these would
be hands on evaluations you have completed.
It is good you have tried to clear this up.
Jerry
That's what so astounding! A 42mm with a 444 foot FOV and Swarovision edge sharpness no RB and 92% transmission and a 32mm is coming with a 450 plus FOV and open bridge design and super light in weight. These are going to be some nice binoculars.This thread has gone in warp 10.
Just read the whole thing... Feel like I've just read a book.
Is a 42 mm bino which such a genuinely large FOV for both models technically possible???
And no rolling globe effect???
Surely it can't be done, or it already would have.
I did significant testing of the Zeiss 8x32 FL vs the 8x32 SV.
To my eyes the Zeiss FOV was about 15 percent less than then SV. Even though there should only be 1metre in it... Ie 140m for the FL and 141m for the SV.
Additionally I notice a 32mm version of the SF will be on offer in the future...
Are we looking at a 8x32 SF with a FOV of 150m plus ?
Cheers Tim
Well, after seeing a photo of your hands, I can understand why!
Lee's hands
Live long and prosper,
Mr. Brock
That's what so astounding! A 42mm with a 444 foot FOV and Swarovision edge sharpness no RB and 92% transmission and a 32mm is coming with a 450 plus FOV and open bridge design and super light in weight. These are going to be some nice binoculars.
Dennis don't get too excited at the prospect of a new Victory class 32 from Zeiss. See my post 186.
Lee
The 8x32 FL won't live forever…it is becoming an oddity in the zeiss line up,
so zeiss have a very tough nut to crack in the SV32,
VB
About the FL, I quite agree, although it is still competitive in performance.
About SV32 I am not sure that you're reasoning is necessarily correct. You are right the SV32 is a tough nut because it is a superb instrument, but if SF turns out to be the significant step forward that it appears to be, then SV32 (although still excellent) will simply be the smaller SV using last year's technology.
Of course in the car world many people are very happy indeed to buy a 2 or 3 year old car at a price they can afford as they can then enjoy a standard of comfort and performance that was out of reach when the car was new. Same with bins to some extent. SV32s will still be in demand several years from now.
Lee
VB
About the FL, I quite agree, although it is still competitive in performance.
About SV32 I am not sure that you're reasoning is necessarily correct. You are right the SV32 is a tough nut because it is a superb instrument, but if SF turns out to be the significant step forward that it appears to be, then SV32 (although still excellent) will simply be the smaller SV using last year's technology.
Of course in the car world many people are very happy indeed to buy a 2 or 3 year old car at a price they can afford as they can then enjoy a standard of comfort and performance that was out of reach when the car was new. Same with bins to some extent. SV32s will still be in demand several years from now.
Lee
but I'm very curious on how zeiss will handle
marketing positioning..
:eat:
Firstly, the SP is not better than Abbe Koenig, so there was no real step forward in that regard. But how many of those SP bino's have transmission of +90% and a FOV that is really significantly wider than the closest competitors?Lee,
In what way is the SF "a significant step forward" except for Zeiss? Zeiss finally has SP prisms and a flat field with the SV, if this is significant. And so they have joined the crowd in a field that is becoming crowded.
Swarovski's Swarovison binoculars and Nikon's EDGs have had both for several years now.
You have noticed that Leupold now has the same thing at 1/3rd the retail, haven't you?
Bob
To me it seems they are marketing very competitive binoculars within 3 different price ranges: Terra, Conquest and HT/SF as a successor for Victory FL.
Lee,
In what way is the SF "a significant step forward" except for Zeiss? Zeiss finally has SP prisms and a flat field with the SV, if this is significant. And so they have joined the crowd in a field that is becoming crowded.
Swarovski's Swarovison binoculars and Nikon's EDGs have had both for several years now.
You have noticed that Leupold now has the same thing at 1/3rd the retail, haven't you?
Bob
To me it seems they are marketing very competitive binoculars within 3 different price ranges: Terra, Conquest and HT/SF as a successor for Victory FL.
Firstly, the SP is not better than Abbe Koenig, so there was no real step forward in that regard. But how many of those SP bino's have transmission of +90% and a FOV that is really significantly wider than the closest competitors?
Don't forget that the FL series is already on the market for more than 10 years, and few surpass transmission numbers from those. Swaro brought the ergonomic superior EL, but the transmission of that one always stayed well below 90%.
You have any transmission % for the Leupolds?
Bob,
The SV is outstanding already. To have a SIGNIFICANT STEP FORWARD over them, according to myself, is next to impossible. Will the slight improvement (which I expect) attract current SV users switching to SF ? I even doubt if the HT users will do so. And, how many of us really have a hawk's eye to appreciate the single digit improvement over another almost perfect binoculars.
Well, of course, the abovementioend might be not applicable to deep-pocketed optics enthusiasm.
Until recently, I would have bought the Swarovision in 8x32 as there is no better. But now, if a future SF is going to be better, I would at least wait and see.Will the slight improvement (which I expect) attract current SV users switching to SF ? I even doubt if the HT users will do so.
Lee,
In what way is the SF "a significant step forward" except for Zeiss? Zeiss finally has SP prisms and a flat field with the SV, if this is significant. And so they have joined the crowd in a field that is becoming crowded.
Swarovski's Swarovison binoculars and Nikon's EDGs have had both for several years now.
You have noticed that Leupold now has the same thing at 1/3rd the retail, haven't you?
Bob
It will depend, and I am serious here, on how many people who have deep pockets are also obsessive enough about these issues to search them out while also using the binoculars for their intended use.
Not me!
Bob
It doesn't look like this is new technology. It probably would be if some Japanese or Chinese company could find a way to do it at a lower cost and maintain quality control.
http://www.allbinos.com/184-binoculars_review-Leupold_Golden_Ring_8x32_HD.html