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Old Saturday 6th October 2018, 15:45   #101
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Brilliant, many thanks again Dev, I seem to have just overlooked Araragi sugiyamai as photos now seem to be available on web.

Hopefully this one straight forward.

Image 0732 Araschnia prorsoides Tangjiahae 29-5-18
I really wish it was easy

I had long looks on the handbook and it matches best with Araschnia doris
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Old Saturday 6th October 2018, 16:00   #102
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Species No : 24 - Old World Swallowtail

Hot off the Plate from my local patch. The bright yellow color of this species is straight give away compared to the pale Asian Swallowtail. First saw it a week ago but just a glimpse. Two days later, i can say affirmative with prolonged views of two diff individuals.

Common Name : Old World Swallowtail
Scientific Name : Papilio machaon
Chinese Name : 金凤蝶
Distribution : Throughout China

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I really wish it was easy

I had long looks on the handbook and it matches best with Araschnia doris
Hi Dev, I must say i am surprised, I have searched for images of this species that accord with mine but find none. Photos of specimens of spring brood doris here from Sichuan dont look like mine.

Conversely i have no difficulty finding examples identified as Araschnia prorsoides which are very close, eg here. Are we sure there isn't an error in the BoC? eg. numbering?

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Hi Dev, I must say i am surprised, I have searched for images of this species that accord with mine but find none. Photos of specimens of spring brood doris here from Sichuan dont look like mine.

Conversely i have no difficulty finding examples identified as Araschnia prorsoides which are very close, eg here. Are we sure there isn't an error in the BoC? eg. numbering?

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Probably that was an error on my part. The species which is illustrated in the handbook is a specimen from Yunnan province which lacks the discals and the subsequent dots between the discals and the submargin on the hindwing.

You were absolutely right about the ID, this aint A.doris.

Sorry abt it.
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Probably that was an error on my part. The species which is illustrated in the handbook is a specimen from Yunnan province which lacks the discals and the subsequent dots between the discals and the submargin on the hindwing.

You were absolutely right about the ID, this aint A.doris.

Sorry abt it.
Great, glad we agree on that one.

We are now left with a series of those confusing Limenitidinae of various genera. I suspect most can only be confidently identified with clear shots of both uppers and underside, which often proved impossible in the circumstances, ie quickly snapping butterflies while birding.

This is one of the few where I do have both so hopefully you can confirm these as Aldania thisbe?

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OK, lets see how well I did. Pics of the common butterflies (and moth) that can be seen here in the Panjin, Liaoning area right now. Snaps taken while I was birding yesterday. The first one I left unlabeled as I keep going back and forth on it.
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Great, glad we agree on that one.

We are now left with a series of those confusing Limenitidinae of various genera. I suspect most can only be confidently identified with clear shots of both uppers and underside, which often proved impossible in the circumstances, ie quickly snapping butterflies while birding.

This is one of the few where I do have both so hopefully you can confirm these as Aldania thisbe?

Image 0671 Tangjiahae 29-5-18 dorsal
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Sorry, i'm late again.

Handbook doesn't include Aldania thisbe. Probably, its a taxonomical thing? It has Neptis thisbe though and the illustration matches with your photo.
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OK, lets see how well I did. Pics of the common butterflies (and moth) that can be seen here in the Panjin, Liaoning area right now. Snaps taken while I was birding yesterday. The first one I left unlabeled as I keep going back and forth on it.
Hi Owen,

1. Painted Lady
2. Hummingbird Hawkmoth (not sure exactly which species) but certainly its the same one i'm seeing here in autumn
3. Indian Red Admiral
4. Small White
5. Eastern Pale Clouded Yellow

And the last one is Asian Comma.
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Hot off the Plate from my local patch. The bright yellow color of this species is straight give away compared to the pale Asian Swallowtail. First saw it a week ago but just a glimpse. Two days later, i can say affirmative with prolonged views of two diff individuals.

Common Name : Old World Swallowtail
Scientific Name : Papilio machaon
Chinese Name : 金凤蝶
Distribution : Throughout China

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Here are the two swallowtails on the same day.
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Sorry, i'm late again.

Handbook doesn't include Aldania thisbe. Probably, its a taxonomical thing? It has Neptis thisbe though and the illustration matches with your photo.
Hi Dan

Yes it will be, the genus Neptis sensu lato has been split into numerous genera by some authors. I will include authority for next few to make alignment easier.

Many thanks for confirmation

Here are two more Limentids in Neptis sl
Image 0597 Neptis cf philyra Ménétriés, 1858, nr Tangjiahae 28-5-18 a single poor shot of damaged insect, I'd be impressed if you can come up with a confident name on this so please don't waste much time on it.

Images 0633 & 0635 fit well with Athyma sulpitia (Cramer, 1779), Tangjiahae 29-5-18. Unfortunately underside shot at acute angle but might be enough.

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Hi Dave,

As you predicted, the first Neptis is really difficult. Despite your warning, i spent the weekend over several reference materials and could not come close to anything.

The second one looks good for Limenitis sulpitia. Handbook doesn't list Athyma sulpitia.
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Many thanks Dan, much appreciated.

Next two both Neptis types, but I think the Limenitis has always been in this genus.
Unfortunately dorsal shots only, but in both cases i think I have come up with reasonably likely names.

0747 Limenitis amphyssa Ménétriés, 1859 Tangjiahae 29 May 2018
0755 Neptis ananta Moore, 1858 Tangjiahae 29 May 2018

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