Birds of Ecuador (Copalinga-Bombuscaro area) (1 Viewer)

Riqui · Mar 14, 2018

I have been recently in Ecuador and there are some birds I cannot identify from pics. Could you plase help me?
The first pic. looks some kind of manakin
The second one have female and male swallow tanagers, but the bird in beween them is... some kinf of elaenia?
The third one is a raptor, but the tail pattern is confusing to me

Andy Adcock · Mar 14, 2018

I'd go for Roadside Hawk, cere is odd with just a yellow blob?

Not a chance with the Manakin from this shot I dodn't think, someone with more experience than me, may have a go at the Flycatcher?

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Andrew Whitehouse · Mar 14, 2018

Was wondering if the flycatcher in 2 might be an Eastern or Western Wood-pewee.

Riqui · Mar 15, 2018

Thank you Andrew and Andy
The raptor: I agree with Roadside hawk (with the rather strange cere).
The manaking, imposible with this pc.
And both Eastern and Western wood-pewee are common in Copalinga, but no way to get ID with the pic.
Thanks a lot to both of you
Ricardo

James Jobling · Mar 15, 2018

Just a thought. Could no. 1 be a female fruiteater (e.g. Pipreola riefferi)?

Riqui · Mar 15, 2018

James Jobling said:
Just a thought. Could no. 1 be a female fruiteater (e.g. Pipreola riefferi)?

It looks like a little bit a Fruiteater, but the size was much smaller and this fuiteater has not been register in Copalinga up to now. Other pipreolas has been register there (P. squamipectus and P. chlorolepidota) and also the Scaled fuiteater, but all of them hace a remarkable white eye.
There are also chances for female Jet manakin or Green manakin that have been recorden in the area.
Unfortunately the quality of the pic is so poor that is difficult to say

Maffong · Mar 15, 2018

The combination of range, altitude, dark bill, legs, and eye, longish tail and dullgreen plumage makes this a Green manakin for me.

For the Flycatcher I think the possibilities are Euler's, Olive-chested and Bran-colored Flycatcher. Structure is wrong for a Pewee. Even though it reminds me most of Euler's Flycatcher, that species should have a yellow lower mandible. Olive-chested should have an olive chest (duh!) and a whiter belly. And Bran-colored Flycatcher should probably show at least some streaking.

Some of the female Black-Tyrants (e.g. Andean B-T) look surprisingly similar but don't occur in the region, I believe. Thus, I'm still undecided on this one.

Agreed on the Roadside Hawk

Andrew Whitehouse · Mar 15, 2018

Maffong said:
For the Flycatcher I think the possibilities are Euler's, Olive-chested and Bran-colored Flycatcher. Structure is wrong for a Pewee. Even though it reminds me most of Euler's Flycatcher, that species should have a yellow lower mandible. Olive-chested should have an olive chest (duh!) and a whiter belly. And Bran-colored Flycatcher should probably show at least some streaking.

Can you clarify why the structure is wrong for a Pewee? It looks fine to me, particularly with the peaked rear crown, which is much better for a pewee than the more round-headed species you mention.

Maffong · Mar 15, 2018

It's interesting to hear, that you think the head shape fits better for Pewee, as I feel the exact opposite way. The Pewees I have seen had a more upright posture and a clearly visible crest, giving the bird a triangular head shape even when the crest wasn't erected. Their body shape was more elongated and rather belly-heavy than breast-heavy as this bird is.

What furthermore doesn't fit for Wood-Pewee are the dark lower mandible, the brownish woodbars (instead of grey), the strong eyering and the brown, rather than grey ventral side

Maffong

Andrew Whitehouse · Mar 15, 2018

Maffong said:
It's interesting to hear, that you think the head shape fits better for Pewee, as I feel the exact opposite way. The Pewees I have seen had a more upright posture and a clearly visible crest, giving the bird a triangular head shape even when the crest wasn't erected. Their body shape was more elongated and rather belly-heavy than breast-heavy as this bird is.

What furthermore doesn't fit for Wood-Pewee are the dark lower mandible, the brownish woodbars (instead of grey), the strong eyering and the brown, rather than grey ventral side

Maffong

I've seen loads of pewees and their posture varies, so I don't think that can count as a factor. The bird in the picture has a slight peak at the rear crown. It's not as obviously triangular as pewees sometimes can be, but again this is quite variable (just check online photos). I can't even see the lower mandible clearly and, again, the pale colouration isn't always obvious (check photos online), so I'm not reading anything into that. The eye-ring isn't particularly strong with just a pale patch at the rear of the eye and not a full eye ring. This is fine for wood-pewees. The wingbars look dull whitish to me, although I'm not totally sure how accurate the colours are on this photo.

Also, although it's hard to be sure of, it looks long winged to me, which would suggest one of the migrant flycatchers. Most resident flycatcher have very short wing tips.

THE_FERN · Mar 17, 2018

I too dismissed a pewee for the same reasons as maffong. I held off commenting because I couldn't fit any more likely species like bran-coloured for one reason or another. Still don't think it's a pewee, though

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