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Old Tuesday 7th July 2009, 23:15   #1
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ID Help Please AZ

This bird has stumped me.

Obviously formerly a falconers bird so could come from anywhere.
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Old Tuesday 7th July 2009, 23:20   #2
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Redtail?

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Old Wednesday 8th July 2009, 02:54   #3
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It's ferruginous like (dark morph) with the long gape, the rufous colour, the white crescent, but.....the legs are not feathered. Red-tail should have a dark leading edge. Perhaps not from NA.

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I agree that Redtail is is the nearest US bird - I have seen thousands but not one in this morph if that is what it is. It may be just the angle but the birds head also just looks too powerful??
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Old Wednesday 8th July 2009, 03:54   #5
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Could it be a buzzard? I agree it looks Red-tail ish and I know they look close to each other. My guess is either of those two but leaning more towards a RTH morph
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Old Wednesday 8th July 2009, 11:24   #6
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I don't think it's a native bird. Bears considerable resemblance to a (Eurasian) Long-legged Buzzard (Buteo rufinus): http://www.breaksbirdphotography.co....gedBuzzard.jpg

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Old Wednesday 8th July 2009, 11:31   #7
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The image has a strangely cartoon-like quality; or is that just my PC?
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Old Wednesday 8th July 2009, 11:39   #8
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Holy cow- I can't help with ID but that is a nice picture!!!
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The image has a strangely cartoon-like quality; or is that just my PC?
It's not just your PC, it looks very odd on my laptop as well.

I've no idea what the bird is, but the image looks like it's been doctored in some way. Maybe the bird superimposed onto the background?
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Old Wednesday 8th July 2009, 14:43   #10
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Definitely a manipulated image look where the sun is setting and the light on the underwing in the front of the picture this section by rights should be in shadow also given that its a bird used for Falconry its could well be a heinz 57 variety
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A bird that is not quite a redtail, that got me thinking about a longshot: rufous-tailed hawk from SA? there is only one image in the gallery, and it does not really look right, but I am still throwing it out there for consideration?

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Old Wednesday 8th July 2009, 15:01   #12
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A bird that is not quite a redtail, that got me thinking about a longshot: rufous-tailed hawk from SA? there is only one image in the gallery, and it does not really look right, but I am still throwing it out there for consideration?

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Any particular reason it is not a long-legged buzzard, as I suggested above? Not an expert on Eurasian raptors, so I would appreciate comments from the “old world” folks.

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Any particular reason it is not a long-legged buzzard, as I suggested above? Not an expert on Eurasian raptors, so I would appreciate comments from the “old world” folks.

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I thought some sort of buzzard as well so I am with Jim on that. I do agree too that when I first opened it I thought it was computer generated as the picture does look "created" instead of "taken"
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I don't have any details on the editing of the photo. It was taken by a friend of mine. He tells me it wasn't superimposed and doesn't remember doing any major manipulation.
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Could it be effects of a strong flash?

I remember reading an interview with a nature photographer who complained about his most famous image always being critiziced for manipulation when the explanation was the one given above.

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Any particular reason it is not a long-legged buzzard, as I suggested above? Not an expert on Eurasian raptors, so I would appreciate comments from the “old world” folks.

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hi jim,

the rufous underparts, especially wing coverts, together with apparently uniform pale tail indeed give the impression of a LLB.
but what's totally wrong for LBB is the dark reddish head/neck, especially having even a darker shawl - rufinus , though very variable, usually has a much paler neck and head than the rest of the body, sometimes in rufous morphs less so - but the dark shawl is really wrong. of course this is a 1cy or 2cy bird and i'm not totally aware of the whole range of variation in more eastern birds. i also asked myself if it could be an upland buzzard which is very similar to LLB.

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I might help if we knew where the photo was taken. There is an AZ in the title. On this side of the pond AZ stands for Arizona.

When I first saw the photo I thought it was a falconer's "hybrid" bird, although I do not know what birds might be involved here.
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Old Wednesday 8th July 2009, 19:53   #18
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It sure would. Maybe "AZ" = Azerbaijan?
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Larry, greetings, I did mean Arizona.
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Yeah, I've got some weird effect from the picture on my computer as well. Maybe there was a flash on the bird?
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My biggest problem with the image is that the black wing-tips are so damn out of focus, when the background is in focus. The rest can be explained by a flash.

I remembered the Rufous-tailed hawk wrongly: at least in Chile, they all seem to have pale throat except for the darkest forms, which are basically dark brown overall.

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hi jim,

the rufous underparts, especially wing coverts, together with apparently uniform pale tail indeed give the impression of a LLB.
but what's totally wrong for LBB is the dark reddish head/neck, especially having even a darker shawl - rufinus , though very variable, usually has a much paler neck and head than the rest of the body, sometimes in rufous morphs less so - but the dark shawl is really wrong. of course this is a 1cy or 2cy bird and i'm not totally aware of the whole range of variation in more eastern birds. i also asked myself if it could be an upland buzzard which is very similar to LLB.

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Thanks Lou. The rufous morph of LLB can be quite dark, as you suggest (see here: http://www.andalucianguides.com/itin...906-3-_001.jpg), but I agree it does not quite show the pattern of the subject bird. The beak also looks more robust than the photos of LLB I have reviewed. Perhaps it is a falconer's hybrid, as Larry suggests, with LLB or Upland Buzzard as one parent.

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Why not a Red-tailed now? In Wheeler and Clark their photo RTO4, on page 85, seems to be a perfect match. The bird is called a Western (they say "Pacific Northwest") Red-tail.

Also, mostly from photos, things like Long-legged Buzzard seem to be shaped more closely to Rough-legged Hawk/Buzzard, which isn't as large-headed or "intense" looking as Red-tailed and some of our other Buteos. Just a thought.
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Why not a Red-tailed now? In Wheeler and Clark their photo RTO4, on page 85, seems to be a perfect match. The bird is called a Western (they say "Pacific Northwest") Red-tail.
I could not find a good match in Wheeler's Western Raptors (nothing near as reddish as this bird), so you may have some info that most here do not. Surprising that it would not also be in the more recent book.

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This is a falconry bird as evidenced by the jesses so I think this is a Ferrug/Redtail hybrid.
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