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Old Wednesday 11th June 2008, 18:07   #1
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Is this over sharpened ?

This looks ok on my CRT (calibrated) monitor but on my Laptop it looks well over sharpened. Does it look over sharpened to you - if so what type of monitor are you using (CRT or LCD)?.
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Old Wednesday 11th June 2008, 19:08   #2
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Fantastic close up Roy and it looks great on my monitor, its not over sharpened at all.
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Old Wednesday 11th June 2008, 19:25   #3
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Looks bloody fantastic on my monitor too....congratulations Roy !!
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Old Wednesday 11th June 2008, 19:25   #4
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Looks ok to me ,it could be just about at top of sharpening level but i wouldent say its over shaprend, i'm using a LCD,i sometimes think the crystals make the image look diffrent to a CRT but thats just my opinion.
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Old Wednesday 11th June 2008, 19:35   #5
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i'm using a LCD,i sometimes think the crystals make the image look different to a CRT but thats just my opinion.
I think you are right Phil which is why I was asking the question - it looks awful on my laptop but because my CRT is getting on a bit now I was wondering if it was on its way out.
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Old Wednesday 11th June 2008, 21:49   #6
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Looks good to me too Roy.
When my monitor blew a while back I actually went out to buy a CRT monitor.I cant get used to these new fangled LCD thingamabobbies!
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Old Thursday 12th June 2008, 04:58   #7
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Hi Roy,

looks great on the CRT. Over sharpened on the laptop's LCD, but then everything looks crappy on this laptop.

Great shot!

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Looks fine on my 4 year old i-mac!
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Old Thursday 12th June 2008, 06:21   #9
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Thanks for the feedback guys, it would appear that my six year old CRT is still holding up.
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it looks a bit over sharpened to me (viewing on an LCD).
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Old Friday 13th June 2008, 08:42   #11
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This looks ok on my CRT (calibrated) monitor but on my Laptop it looks well over sharpened. Does it look over sharpened to you - if so what type of monitor are you using (CRT or LCD)?.
I am no photographer,I am a "looker" it appears to me perfect and if I took a photo like that it would be one hell of a "wow" factor.Incidentally my monitor is an LCD.

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Old Friday 13th June 2008, 15:42   #12
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It looks a little contrasty on my LCD monitor, but I don't see any problem with over-sharpening. Nice picture.

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Looks ok on both my calibrated LCDs Roy.
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Old Tuesday 17th June 2008, 19:13   #14
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Oversharpened on my calibrated LCD. It kinda looks (and no offence meant, Roy) like it's been "robustly" sharpened to make up for detail lost by NR - there's a kind of "smeared" look to it, where you might expect a close-up shot like this to show fine feather detail.

I've attached a lightly sharpened 100% crop of a Titchwell robin taken with the 100-400mm (and TC) on the 30D to show what looks "natural" to my eyes. You can see a difference in the feather detail.

Again, no offence, Roy - I'm just fussy about things looking natural and not heavily processed.
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Old Tuesday 17th June 2008, 19:39   #15
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Oversharpened on my calibrated LCD. It kinda looks (and no offence meant, Roy) like it's been "robustly" sharpened to make up for detail lost by NR.

And there's a kind of "smeared" look to it, where you might expect a close-up shot like this to show fine feather detail.

I've attached a lightly sharpened 100% crop of a Titchwell robin taken with the 100-400mm (and TC) on the 30D to show what looks "natural" to my eyes. You can see a difference in the feather detail.

Again, no offence, Roy - I'm just fussy about things looking natural and not heavily processed.
Certainly do not take offence Keith constructive criticism is always welcome. Interesting comments Though - just shows how we all view things differently. For info I now always sharpen before NR ( I am not 100% sure I even used NR on this image as I very often use the blur tool instead - not on the bird but on the surrounding area ).
My sharpening method is to create a duplicate layer and sharpen only the Luminosity channel before flattening - not sure if this give a more sharpened result or not but I like it because it does not globally sharpen)

Like I say, it is interesting how we view thing differently because I view the Robin shot as being soft but that it just me. I guess it would be boring if we all had the same views.
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Looks bloody fantastic on my monitor too....congratulations Roy !!


I could not put it better myself! fabulous shot Roy. No sign of any overshapening on my calibrated LCD or my laptop.

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Like I say, it is interesting how we view thing differently because I view the Robin shot as being soft but that it just me. I guess it would be boring if we all had the same views.
Personally I think that the sharpening on Keith's images is just about spot on, it has a natural look. Personally I'd far rather see a slightly soft shot than an over sharpened one, for me it's closer to how I see the bird. A quick look through the gallery will show how different people like different levels of sharpening.
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On my LCD laptop screen it looks a bit over sharpened. Sort of an icy look to the feathers.
Still, not to the point of disturbing.
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On my LCD laptop screen it looks a bit over sharpened. Sort of an icy look to the feathers.
Still, not to the point of disturbing.
Like I said at the beginning Peter on my Laptop it looks absolute Cr*p but it looks ok on my Calibrated CRT. Mind you everything looks dreadful on my laptop.

I have no doubt that LCD screens tend to give a brighter image than a CRT and consequently you see things that are not apparent on a CRT.

I dread the day when my CRT finally packs up and I have to get a LCD
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I'm just fussy about things looking natural and not heavily processed.
Roy, what I think has happened here, the sun has been a direct light source which is reflecting off the eye and feathers, by sharpening you have increased the highlight pixels. You almost don't need to do any, it's so sharp anyway.

Keith's right that it doesn't look natural, by blurring the eye reflection in PS it starts to looks correct. I think that you have a 'spot-on' image which contrary to normal processing needs you to adjust the 'other way'.
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Like I say, it is interesting how we view thing differently because I view the Robin shot as being soft but that it just me.
Oh, that's fine, Roy - as I say, it's lightly sharpened (only capture sharpening, as far as I recall) and it can take a lot more sharpening and still keep a "natural" look to it, which is my personal taste.

As a matter of interest, would you agree that the robin has more detail than the blue tit? That's what my processing approach favours - keeping as much fine detail as possible.
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Looks a smidgeon over sharpened to me but then again I have one of those new fangled LCD jobbies. It`s a good one though ! The LCD I meant....LOL But I would be very happy with that piccie.
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Personally I think that the sharpening on Keith's images is just about spot on, it has a natural look.
I was sitting with you and the Simpsonettes when I took that shot!

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The Great Tit definitely looks 'wrong' on my LCD screen, perhaps over-sharpened, but I agree with Keith, it looks like it's had too much noise reduction (that's not to say it has, just what it looks like). The Robin looks spot on, I personally wouldn't want to sharpen it any more than that. Interesting how the same image can look so different on different screens though.
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Interesting how the same image can look so different on different screens though.
This was the whole point of the thread Clive. I was trying to ascertain if my 7 year old CRT was on its way out because the image looked so different on my laptop. I was not after a debate as to weather the image was good, bad or indifferent but merely trying to gauge if other people were seeing the same as me.

It is obvious from the responses that different people have there own ideas about how sharp or otherwise an image should be and long may this variation be (it would be pretty boring if we all though the same wouldn't it ?). At the end of the day I guess most of us take pictures for our own benefit and if someone else happens to like it then that's a bonus.

That aside and taking a balanced view of all the responses I am reassured that my trusted CRT lives to fight another day. Thanks to everyone for your responses in this thread.

Out of interest this shot was not taken with my normal prime lens but with a zoom lens which is noticeably softer than the prime. This is one reason why I had to sharpen the image at all (very often with my prime lens I do not apply any sharpening).

Once again thanks to everyone who contributed
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