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Old Wednesday 2nd May 2018, 10:04   #151
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I hasten to reply: 100% correct.
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Old Wednesday 2nd May 2018, 18:50   #152
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I feel its important to walk the talk:

[url="https://i.imgur.com/4Bemktf.png"]

Sorry its not supported by the latest Chris Packham "birding approved" camo pattern but rather our now vintage but nonetheless highly serviceable UK woodlands compliant DPM.

This is a circa 7ft holly stick harvested on Christmas Morning and allowed to season for 4 years before deployment.

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Old Wednesday 2nd May 2018, 20:12   #153
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Like the clothing line, much my taste, and nice Zeiss 8X30s, don't see them much anymore, now all one sees are the Hensoldt F-16 8X30 all over the B.y. Regarding the stick, I have an appropriate size in hickory.

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Old Thursday 3rd May 2018, 09:47   #154
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LGM, Thanks for the info. by text and pic.

Ceasar, When you recover from Mystic Mode: Does "put thereon" mean that (unlike LGM and Lee) you place the binocular "on top of" the stick, which (unlike theirs) is a bit shorter than the user?

Anyone, Do you find that, like me, steadying (like this or otherwise) makes a significant difference with 10x but not 8x?

Thanks!

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LGM, Thanks for the info. by text and pic.

Ceasar, When you recover from Mystic Mode: Does "put thereon" mean that (unlike LGM and Lee) you place the binocular "on top of" the stick, which (unlike theirs) is a bit shorter than the user?

Anyone, Do you find that, like me, steadying (like this or otherwise) makes a significant difference with 10x but not 8x?

Thanks!

Adhoc,

Yes, it does mean that I place the binocular on the top of the stick, but I'm sure you recognize this as "poetic license."

Actually I use a Stoney Point, Polecat Monopod. It has a number of attachments, in particular a Binocular Rest attachment (#E-123) on which I rest the binocular along the bottom of it's center hinge. The Rest has a hinge on it that allows the binocular to be moved up and down while one hand is supporting the pole and tilting it as necessary.

http://danhberger.com/www.danhberger...eyPointCat.pdf

I'm not sure if these are still being made.

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I want one of those. I'll going to see if they still are made.
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Old Thursday 3rd May 2018, 17:06   #157
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Andy W, post 153,
What makes you conclude that a Zeiss 8x30 is shown in the picture referred to in post 152; as far as I know there is only a green armored 8x30 made by Zeiss and that is almost exactly identical to a Nikon 8x30 from a later date.
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Old Thursday 3rd May 2018, 17:23   #158
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It's worth reading Kimmo Kabsetz's post:

[url="https://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=297776&highlight=finnstick"]

I first came across mention of the Finnstick when I posted that I was having tremor problems (minor I might add, but sufficient to spoil the view). Over a number of years the magnification I could cope with reduced so I asked for advice. Kimmo, amongst a number of others, kindly replied and suggested I use a Finnstick.

I did try it, but it took some getting use to and by the time I did I had found the solution. Image stabilization.

All of my binoculars are now image stabilized from the 8x to the 18x Canons and what a delight. As I have said in the past; when you press the image stabilization button and the image goes rock steady you realise what you have been missing. Up until then I had been using Nikon EDG's and SE's, so I know what a top class view is like. But being able to see appreciably more detail with the Canons there was no contest.

I am not trying to push Canon, who are the only manufacturer of birding image stabilized binoculars anyway, but the image stabilisation principle. While the Canons do have their faults, you learn to live with them in order to get the stable image.

There often seem to be posts on the forum on how to hold unstabilized binoculars to get the most stable position and therefore the best view. This makes me suspect that there are quite a few birdwatchers who, like me, would benefit from having a good look through Canons.

If you are one of the fortunate people who can hold a normal 18x binocular steady, just ignore this.

By the way, Kimmo uses the Canon 10x42L IS.

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Old Thursday 3rd May 2018, 18:17   #159
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Andy W, post 153,
What makes you conclude that a Zeiss 8x30 is shown in the picture referred to in post 152; as far as I know there is only a green armored 8x30 made by Zeiss and that is almost exactly identical to a Nikon 8x30 from a later date.
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Gijs,

Just a guess, I don't see many of the Nikon 8X30s, I used to have both. Just a hunch.

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Andy W, post 153,
What makes you conclude that a Zeiss 8x30 is shown in the picture referred to in post 152; as far as I know there is only a green armored 8x30 made by Zeiss and that is almost exactly identical to a Nikon 8x30 from a later date.
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...I place the binocular on the top of the stick, but I'm sure you recognize this as "poetic license."

Actually I use a Stoney Point, Polecat Monopod...Binocular Rest attachment... [url]...not sure if these are still being made.

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Thanks Bob.
These days around those parts poetic license seems to be in fashion . (We read world news.)
Recently I chose the Slik 'Lighty' monopod after scrutinizing many options at major online retailers, but had I known about Stoney Point et al. may possibly have searched wider. As I see after a web search (and waiting for Black crow's follow-up, not in here yet) it does seem your model is now unavailable.

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Personally I prefer IS only at higher x.
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Amazon has several to choose from that seem in some ways similar to the Stony Point but what caught my interest is the Monopod tilt heads that can be used on any inexpensive monopod to allow the binocular to rotate and swivel. Some of these are quite inexpensive but would turn any monopod into a useful platform for binocular viewing or at least it looks like it. I'm sure many here know about these but I did not. Here's one example.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...A1K2QC0OJF2HTS
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Old Friday 4th May 2018, 04:10   #163
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Some come with it, like my less-than-$45 model. Remember that a binocular will need an intervening part. Some, again, come with one (a "tripod-mounting" bracket). Else you need to order one from the pod or the binocular maker.

I write on about this subject which might seem off-topic for this thread because mounting or steadying brings through a 10x binocular the same level of detail as a higher-x handheld binocular (about 15x?) or mounted monocular scope (about 15x).
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Old Monday 7th May 2018, 19:45   #164
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You can add a lanyard that helps keep your c2k bins away from the the stick if worried about marking the objective housing:
http://i.imgur.com/9GTPWiv.jpg
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Old Monday 7th May 2018, 20:47   #165
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My first birding binoculars were the Carl Zeiss Jena 10x50 Dekarems (1974) in 1986 I upgraded to the west German Zeiss 10x40 Dialyts neither of these 10x binoculars were great in woodland and in 1997 bought the classic Zeiss 7x42 Dialyt which became my default birding binocular. I loved the wide FOV and the extra depth of focus. I did not miss the extra magnification. If I needed extra magnification I used my telescope. I now use my Swarovski 8x32s as my default birding binocular and see absolutely no disadvantages.
I must confess to buying a pair of Zeiss 10x42 SFs last year after receiving a modest financial windfall but only to replace my old 10x Dialyts.
Seriously if I could only have one pair of binoculars it would be 8x. I would suggest that the advantage of the greater depth of field is not emphasized enough.
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As the person who posted the question initially I thought I would give an update. I went to a big optics shop (Cley Spy) and tried out loads of bins. I found, to my surprise, that I was not hugely taken with any of them for the strange reason that as a glasses wearer the eye relief on all of them was actually TOO much with the eye cups fully lowered, and generally too little at the first click stop as they were raised. I concluded that the latest generation of top end Swaros and Zeiss are not for me and that if I buy any I will go second hand on the previous versions, such as my wife's 2013 Swaro 8x32 ELs.

However the other day I decided to have a go with a stick supporting my 10x42s a la the Finnstick. WOW! It was a real revelation in comfort and stability. After 45 years of birding it was something of a eureka moment! So now I am going to investigate constructing my own version of a Finnstick, probably out of aluminium tubing, since the real version which I found on a Finnish website, costs around 100. If I am successful then I will stick with 10x and walk around happily looking like an idiot with a stick attached to my bins.

For anyone who has not tried this completely simple technique I urge you to have a go. The difference is amazing!

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As the person who posted the question initially I thought I would give an update. I went to a big optics shop (Cley Spy) and tried out loads of bins. I found, to my surprise, that I was not hugely taken with any of them for the strange reason that as a glasses wearer the eye relief on all of them was actually TOO much with the eye cups fully lowered, and generally too little at the first click stop as they were raised.

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Hi Sean,

That's more common than you may think but is an easy fix. The o-ring is your friend:
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Hi Sean,

That's more common than you may think but is an easy fix. The o-ring is your friend:
Now THAT is a good idea! I will have to go to the shop again, armed with some...

Thanks!

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