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Björn Bergenholtz · Jul 29, 2015

For what it is worth. Boucard's Genera of humming birds : being also a complete monograph of these birds (1894-1895) back me up (here):

Delattria
[…]
The genus was dedicated by Bonaparte, to Delattre, the celebrated Traveller Naturalist.

Surely Henri, who in 1850 only had gone to North America once, can´t be "the celebrated Traveller Naturalist"? Compared to the long, long list of travels made by his brother Adolphe, the famous Trochilist.

PS. And remember that Adolphe discovered, collected and described several new hummingbirds, incl. the henrica/henrici (that he described together with Lesson). Surely Bonaparte could have found that worth a Genus of his own?
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Taphrospilus · Jul 29, 2015

You might be right if I read Another Reference to Early Experiments in Keeping Hummingbirds in Captivity

PS: As Boucard is mentioned I still would like to know where he was born in France.

Björn Bergenholtz · Sep 13, 2015

Delattria continuation ...

I have to return to the Generic name "Delattria" BONAPARTE 1850 … as there still seems to be some hesitation regarding whom it is commemorating.

See the following notes by Boucard, in his Genera of Hummingbirds, first published in parts in Boucards private journal The Humming Bird (between 1892 till its final issue 1895):

First, for example;
● "Atthis Heloisæ" LESSON & DELATTRE 1839 (here), in this case don´t think of the commemoration of "Heloisæ", but how Boucard writes about its discoverer:

... discovered in Jalapa (Mexico) by the celebrated naturalist traveller Adolphe Delattre.

and, or, on ...
● "Lophornis delattrei" LESSON 1839 (here)

It was discovered by Delattre in Colombia, and dedicated to him by his friend Mr. Lesson, …

and then on …
● the Generic name Delattria BONAPARTE 1850: (here, p.218)

This genus was dedicated by Bonaparte, to Delattre, the celebrated Traveller Naturalist.

Directly, on the same page, followed by "Delattria henrici" [syn. Lampornis amethystinus SWAINSON 1827], with the out-spoken, clear dedication on p.219:

This rare species was discovered by Delattre, and dedicated by him and Lesson, to Henri Delattre, brother of the former.

I thereby stubbornly assume and assert that the "O. [Ornismya] Henrica" LESSON (& DELATTRE) 1839 (later a k a henrici, by Gould and Boucard) is the only scientific name commemorating Henri Delattre.

And in line with that opinion, that Delattria is commemorating his younger brother (Pierre) Adolphe Delattre. Surely if Boucard meant that Delattria also was for Henri he wouldn´t have wrote it that way, would he?

Also see how Bonaparte himself formulated it in his "Mémoires ornithologiques" 1854 (here), page 1, first phrase:

Il est, comme des natures d'élite, des natures infatigables dans la poursuite des sciences et des beaux-arts. M. Delattre, voyageur naturaliste connu par ses beaux albums et par les nombreuses découvertes de ses précédents voyages en Amérique, est à peine de retour d'une récente expédition, qu'il se disjjose à en entreprendre une nouvelle.

If someone still think otherwise, please explain why!
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James Jobling · Sep 13, 2015

Re Delattria Bonaparte, 1850; no dedication is made by Bonaparte in the original diagnosis (Conspectus Generum Avium, I (1), 70). The first species mentioned is Ornismya henrica, Less., and for that reason alone I would assert that Delattria also refers to Henri (Bonaparte would have revelled in the name Delattria henrica).

mb1848 · Sep 14, 2015

Taphrospilus said: "As Boucard is mentioned I still would like to know where he was born in France" In 1871 when he was 32 and returned from the new world A. Boucard had a book published about preparations of natural history items. It was published in Rennes. More of his works were published in Tours and one more in Rennes. The two towns are 150 miles apart. This might be a clue as to where he was born.

Taphrospilus · Sep 14, 2015

He must have returned to Europe around 1861 as Boucard mentioned here in Travels of a naturalist:

Occupation of Mexico by French troops. Return to Europe. Second voyage to Mexico. Evacuation of Mexico by French troops.

And according here invasion of Mexico was in late 1861. Evacuation 1866/67.

Maybe Catalogue de Coléoptères en vente give his location in the year 1870.

And if we read the link Another Reference to Early Experiments in Keeping Hummingbirds in Captivity in my previous post there might be a relationship Delattre and Boucard. And Delattre came from Tours (as the footnote mentioned).

Björn Bergenholtz · Sep 14, 2015

Delattria ...

Well, I´ve said what I can in this matter. I choose to trust the Richmond card (link in Post. #19). "Genus named for Delattre the traveller". In my mind that´s Adolphe. I´m done in this thread. I have to push on ...

The Delattre Brothers … over and out!

Björn

PS. Martin, good luck finding the birth place of Mr. Boucard!

Taphrospilus · Sep 14, 2015

@ Björn I am with you as I never read anything that Bonaparte was in any relationship with Henri. All connections/writings of Bonaparte is regarding Adolphe Delattre the traveller. But we will never know the real intention for the name selected by Bonaparte.

Taphrospilus · Sep 16, 2015

Catalogue de Coléoptères en vente. 1870.

The earlierst publication from Boucard I identified is:

Catalogue de Coléoptères en vente. Oberthur et fils, Rennes 1870

As the NHM in London has a copy of the catalogue I contacted them and asked what adress was mentioned for Boucard.

On the first page ‘chez Boucard’ is given as ‘7, rue Guy-de-la-Brosse, Paris’.

The only other address given is in very small print at the foot of the last page, as follows:

Rennes, typ. OBERTHUR et fils – Maison a Paris, rue des Blanes – Manteaux, 35

Therefore I have some doubts that there is a connection to Rennes sa they had an office in Paris as well. But maybe....

Taphrospilus · Sep 18, 2015

Does anyone know if Boucard have given a dedication to his wife? It is impossible to search that in HBW Alive if you don't know the first name or her maiden name.

It must not be necassarily a bird as he was as well entomologist.

I think he was married as he died 24 Stanley Garden in Hampstead at the house of his son.

Just my speculation it could be Françoise Léonie Grisot married with Louis Adolphe Boucard in Paris between 1860 and 1902. Where and when I don't know.

Taphrospilus · Jun 17, 2016

Calalp said:
whose full name was Pierre Adolphe Delattre (or De Lattre)[/COLOR]

I am getting more and more the impression that his full name did not contain Pierre as written here. If we look at all the official documents excerpts here he was never written as Pierre. No idea why Theodore Sherman Palmer used Pierre.

P.S. Maybe one question for Laurent. Is he born 24 Pluviôse 13 (which would be 13. February 1805) or one day before?

l_raty · Jun 17, 2016

Taphrospilus said:
P.S. Maybe one question for Laurent. Is he born 24 Pluviôse 13 (which would be 13. February 1805) or one day before?

Go [here], then to image 78/189: N° 298, upper half of right-hand page.

He was named Adolphe, no mention of any Pierre here. The act dates from the 24th Pluviôse, but it says that he was "né le vingt-un de ce mois à cinq heure du soir": born on the 21st of this month at 5 in the evening. 10 Feb 1805.

Taphrospilus · Sep 13, 2016

Calalp said:
PS. Martin, good luck finding the birth place of Mr. Boucard!

I am not closer to the birth place but have a brief idea (speculation) on his parents.

1) See here an interesting theory about Delattre and Boucard.
2) I have a digitized version of the testament from Delatte (unfortunately for me very hard to understand what happened) and some controversial with his Ex-wife Jeanne Françoise Postel.
3) Within the testament is Héloïse Boucard mentioned.
4) It might be the same person as mentioned here.

So it could be that Adolphe Boucard is the extramarital son of Adolphe Delattre and Héloïse Boucard.

And could fit to Passeport de Héloïse Boucard

Place/Time: 1840-10-24-Vincy (Seine-et-Marne, France)-Nouvelle-Orléans (La) (Lousiane, Etats-Unis)

mb1848 · Sep 13, 2016

This could also explain Atthis heloisa 1839 Lesson and Delattre . Mr. Jobling says: "Female eponym; dedication not given" The French name is O. M. Héloïse.
http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/161562#page/21/mode/1up .

Taphrospilus · Sep 24, 2016

Thank you to Laurent I will share to the community what he read in the document I mentioned (not really a testament).

OK. The first thing is that this is not exactly a testament. It's a file
about the inventorisation of the belongings of Adolphe De
Lattre/Delattre (both spellings used in the documents), established on
request of his widow, after his death. I'm not fully clear about the
legal consequences of the documents (i.e., who inherited what).

Delattre had married Jeanne Françoise Postel on 17 Jun 1829. A wedding
contract was then established, with marital community of goods, implying
among other things that if one the spouses passed away, the other
inherited. Three years later, they separated -- a "séparation de corps"
("separation of bodies") was acted by a tribunal on 30 Nov 1832. This is
not a divorce; the spouses were officially separated, but the wedding
contract remained in part valid, and Jeanne Postel was still in a
position to expect inheritance if Delattre was to die. In late 1853,
Delattre retired in Nice, due to health problems; on 3 Jan 1854, he died
there. But the day before, he had established a testament before the
Consul de France in Nice, wherein he declared Héloïse Boucard his
universal legatee. The situation was irregular, because, due to the
wedding contract, he was not free to do this. What we have here is the
result of the protestations of his widow.

The part that will be of interest is the second face of the first
smaller sheet inserted in the file. This is a letter by Jeanne Postel's
lawyer to the president of the Tribunal civil de première instance,
department of Seine, where the lawyer exposes the situation.

[Mad. Jeanne Françoise Postel [etc.]
a l'honneur de vous exposer:]

que le sieur Delattre est décéde à Nice, où il s'était retiré pour sa
santé le trois janvier dernier.
qu'il ne laissait pour lui succéder aucun descendant, mais qu'il
laissait une ascendante, la dame Eugénie Lemaire, veuve de Henri De
Lattre, sa mère, rentière, demeurant à Nice.
que cependant le deux janvier veille de sa mort le sieur De Lattre
avait été amené à faire devant le Consul de France à Nice un testament
prétendu contenant institution de la Mlle Héloïse Boucard pour sa
légataire universelle en toute propriété.
que ce testament _in extremis_ n'a pu être qu'une surprise arrachée à
un moribond, qui connaissait on contrat de mariage et l'institution
universelle qu'il contient, qui savait l'existence de sa femme, au
profit d'une concubine, cause de la séparation de corps des époux
Delattre et qui connaissait le mariage pour avoir été au service des
époux, savait aussi l'existance de l'exposante.

([Mrs Jeanne Françoise Postel [etc.]
is honoured to expose to you:]

that Mr Delattre died in Nice, where he had retired for his health,
on last 3 Jan.
that he left no descendants to succeed him, but he left an
ascendant, Mrs Eugénie Lemaire, widow of Henri De Lattre, his mother,
rentier, residing in Nice.
that however on 2 Jan, the day before his death, Mr De Lattre had
been led to make, before the Consul of France in Nice, an alleged will
containing the institution of Miss Héloïse Boucard as his universal legatee.
that this will _in extremis_ could only be a surprise ripped off
from a dying man, who knew his wedding contract and the universal
institution in it, who knew of the existence of his wife, in favour of a
concubine, cause of the separation of the Delattre spouses and knew the
marriage, for having been at the service of the spouses, and also knew
the existance of the petitioner.)

In other words, he had indeed left his wife in 1832 as a result of an
affair with Héloïse Boucard. And he was still with the same Héloïse
Boucard when he died in 1854...

I am not sure if here is correct and what they wrote:

Il s’était marié en 1829, sans en avertir sa famille, à Mlle Postel dont il eut un enfant.

I still feel the son (enfant) is Adolphe Boucard and no son of Mlle Postel.

And sure Marks comment...

mb1848 said:
This could also explain Atthis heloisa 1839 Lesson and Delattre.

...makes sense. Again a big thank you to Laurent.

Taphrospilus · Sep 26, 2016

Maybe another mini speculation on Mme Boucard.

In 1848 he exhibited at Salon de Paris. Interesting that one of the miniatures is called...

Portait of Mme B....

Maybe it is Héloïse Boucard. But of course my speculation.

If she was the person traveled to New Orleans in 1840 as I wrote in # 33 she was born on 2. September 1811 in Vincy-Manoeuvre here p. 106 as Héloïse Josephine Boucard.

Taphrospilus · Mar 28, 2018

Calalp said:
PS. Martin, good luck finding the birth place of Mr. Boucard!

I supect his full name was Gabriel Adolphe Boucard. We can read his name here.

114 pieles de aves americanas, obsequio del viajero Mr. Gabriel Adolphe Boucard.

Would somehow fit to here with

Adolph Gabriel Boucard DEATH: dd mm 1905

or

NAME: Adolph G Boucard BIRTH: abt 1840 DEATH: Jan 1905 - Hampstead, London

Maybe he was married with Emily Boucard.

If we go here => Recherches un individu => Enter Nom as Boucard => Prénom(s) as Gabriel Adolphe => first Année as 1839 and click Recherche we find that he must be present in Archive de Gironde. I already checked Bordeaux and the Commune Gironde but failed to find him there. Seems to be be very time consuming task to go through all Commune to find him, but at least a step forward.

l_raty · Mar 28, 2018

Taphrospilus said:
If she was the person traveled to New Orleans in 1840 as I wrote in # 33 she was born on 2. September 1811 in Vincy-Manoeuvre here p. 106 as Héloïse Josephine Boucard.

...and she died in Paris on 24 July 1893.
Death record: go [here] ; Type de document: Décès ; Arrondissement: 05 ; Année: 1893 ; Numéro de l'acte: 1938 ; click Rechercher ; open the file ; go to image 30/31):

Boucard
1938
L'an mil huit cent quatre vingt treize, le vingt-cinq juillet à neuf heure du matin. Acte de décès de Héloïse Joséphine Boucard, âgée de quatre vingt un ans, gouvernante; née à Vincy-Manoeuvre (Seine & Marne), décédée en son domicile, rue Guy de la Brosse 13, le vingt-quatre juillet courant à neuf heures du soir, fille de Joseph Noël Boucard et de Marie Charlotte Eulalie Bourgeois, époux décédés; célibataire. Dressé par nous Charles Gras, adjoint au maire, officier de l'état civil du Ve Arrondissement de Paris, officier d'Académie, sur la déclaration de Charles Daude, trente cinq ans, et de Louis Lucet, âgé de vingt six ans, employés Place du Panthéon 9 y demeurant, non parents qui ont signé avec nous, après lecture -

As the address of her residence (rue Guy de la Brosse 13) is known to have been Adolphe Boucard's address as well (e.g., [here]), I think there can be little doubt that she is the right person...

Björn Bergenholtz · Mar 29, 2018

Adolphe and Héloïse Boucard

In my MS I (only) have him as Adolphe Boucard (1839-1905), French traveller, ornithologist, entomologist, feather trader (and of other Naturalia), collector, ... and onwards ... "who died 15 March 1905, at the home of his Son, in Hampstead, outside London - at the age of 66."

He´s commemorated in (for example):
● Slaty-breasted Tinamou Crypturellus (erythropus) boucardi SCLATER 1859/1860 (ex Sallé MS) a k a "Boucard Tinamou" or "Boucard's Tinamou" (in Swedish; earlier "Boucards tinamo", today skiffertinamo)
● Boucard's Wren Campylorhynchus jocosus SCLATER 1860 a k a "Boucard's Cactus-wren" (boucardgärdsmyg, in Swedish)

Those are the only ones of "his" birds, included in my MS (of Swedish Common names).

Boucard (and some other guys) was earlier dealt with (back in 2014) in the thread Three contradictory statements in some various books and articles (here, here, here, here and here). Note that today's Key (still) claim Boucard died in 1904!

In any case; this far I´ve seen no record, until Martin's post #37, of anyone claiming his second (first) name being Gabriel. On the other hand; I´ve seen nothing saying it couldn´t have been, as no other suggestion has surfaced. Boucard is mentioned (in various, loads of texts) simply as Adolphe Boucard (but as we all know, middle names are often left out, however true they might be).

And: Good work, Martin and Laurent, on the earlier little-known:

heliosa as in:
● the tiny Bumblebee Hummingbird (Trochilus) Atthis heloisa LESSON & DELATTRE 1839 (here) as "O. [Ornismya] Heloisa" a k a "O.-M. Héloïse" (= Oiseaux-Mouche Héloïse, in French) ... no dedication, nor any explanation (from what I can tell).

... which very well could commemorate Héloïse Josephine Boucard (1811-1893)

Constant progress!

Disclaimer: This said; without having anything about her in my MS, thereby she´s not checked at all by me, with very little to add.

Today's HBW Alive Key explain this eponym as:

heloisa
Female eponym; dedication not given; the "Oiseau-mouche Héloïse" of Lesson & Delattre 1839; probably after Héloïse Boucard (fl. 1854) common-law wife of Adolphe Delattre (Martin Schneider in litt.) (Atthis).

But ... do we know, for sure, that she was the "wife"/"comon-wife" of Boucard?

To me, by the mere look if it (maybe being prejudiced?), by the years, it looks more like his Mother?!

A shared address, with Adolphe Boucard (that Laurent pointed out in #38), wouldn´t, in such a position, be all that odd.

Or have this matter (she) been dealt with earlier? And solved? In yet another thread?

Björn

Taphrospilus · Mar 29, 2018

Calalp said:
To me, by the mere look if it (maybe being prejudiced?), by the years, it looks more like his Mother?!

Think you missed or misunderstood earlier information. See...

Taphrospilus said:
So it could be that Adolphe Boucard is the extramarital son of Adolphe Delattre and Héloïse Boucard.

In the same part I linked an article by Palmer in the Auk were it is written:

When it is recalled that Boucard and Delattre both reached San Francisco by sailing vessel in August, 1851, and returned via the Nicaragua route in 1852, that Boucard was only a boy of 12 when he sailed and consequently rather young to undertake extended collections on his own initiative, while Delattre was an experienced collector 46 years of age, it seems
more than likely that they were traveling together. In fact it is highly probable that on
this, his first trip, Boucard was working under the direction of Delattre from whom possibly
he acquired some of that interest in hummingbirds which became so marked in
later years. If this surmise is correct it may throw some light on the region where Delattre
collected in California. Boucard intimates that most of the year was spent in the
neighborhood of San Francisco.

Héloïse is for sure the mother of Adolphe Boucard. The father might be Adolphe Delattre (still married with Jeanne Françoise Postel till his death) which we can conclude from #35. And Delattre was one of the authors and may have dedicated this bird to his true love Héloïse. Another point is that Héloïse went for America in 1840 (we can see from a passport) a time Delattre went there as well. See:

mb1848 said:
This could also explain Atthis heloisa 1839 Lesson and Delattre.

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