Good evening i am puzzled regarding the ID of this warbler , it has an unusually long and curved bill with broad and curved base , pale brown upperparts that points to Iduna opaca,and dark lores , pronounced supercilium(?) and pale wing panel that points to iduna pallida , your thoughts please, thank you in advance
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iduna pallida with unusual bill or opaca? Florina Northwest Greece Jul 2020 (1 Viewer)
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KenM
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Hi bairakta,
A really puzzling looking Iduna and tremendous images as well!
Not surprised that you've had a muted response, although I'd have thought a common courtesy of acknowledgement should have followed?
That said, the subject is a touch incongruous, with such a large bill I was expecting corresponding long primary projections which are not forthcoming!
To my eye at a glance it looks half way between Olive-tree Warbler and Upcher's, however I'm sure someone with a lot more experience will chip in.
Cheers :t:
Deb Burhinus
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I certainly don’t have the expertise here at all but I agree with the OP, this seems to show mixed features of Eastern and Western Olivaceous (obviously the latter much more unlikely) - ( I am interested to learn from any discussion here!). Any tail movement noticed? Habitat? Vocals?
Hi Ken Thank you for your response Cheers
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Thank you for your response Deb , the bird was stunned after an impact to a window panel , there was no movement of the tail even when it started moving , the vocalization was a low chek.. chek.. chek, after 5 minutes of observation it flew away
Hi jogresh, it is an olive tree warbler indeed , the issue here is that it has features of both western and eastern olive ( Iduna opaca and iduna pallida) and Ken raised the possibility of Upcher's warbler hippolais languina) , it is a puzzling bird
Good morning i will check my hard disk later for a better photo if this is not good enough
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Deb Burhinus
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I’m slighty confused here - Olive-Tree Warblers are grey (ish) with white fringes to secondaries and dark/greyish legs and with a long pp - I can’t see that here or maybe I’m missing something?
And why post for an ID to differentiate between Eastern/Western Olivaceous if it was already agreed by OP that it’s an Olive-Tree (Hippolais olivetorum) (which I honestly can’t see :-C)
And why post for an ID to differentiate between Eastern/Western Olivaceous if it was already agreed by OP that it’s an Olive-Tree (Hippolais olivetorum) (which I honestly can’t see :-C)
Andy Adcock
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Doesn't look like OTW to me either.
Hi Deb it is my misunderstanting!! i am not familiar with the English names of the Birds, NO i do not believe it is Hillolais olivetorum , my initial question that still remains is whether this bird is Iduna pallid or Iduna opaca ,
CARERY
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Well, it clearly is NOT an Olive-Tree Warbler as is shown by the p10 that is distinctly longer than the primary coverts but an Eastern/Western Olivaceous Warbler. Sorry, this seemingly huge bill threw me off and I was misjudging the pp due to the angle. It certainly is seemingly a very broad bill for an Eastern... but I don't know enough about variability there.
I guess in #7 the OP confuses the English names Olivaceous and Olive-Tree sound not that dissimilar after all.
Edit: I see I guessed right it was a confusion of the names...
I guess in #7 the OP confuses the English names Olivaceous and Olive-Tree sound not that dissimilar after all.
Edit: I see I guessed right it was a confusion of the names...
Hi Andyadcock, as i explained i don't believe and i never thought of hippolais olivetorum Cheers
that is the reason i try to use only the scientific name
Deb Burhinus
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Thanks Carery for the clarification (I feel strangely very relieved!
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I too think the bill is on the large size for Eastern (even nom pallida) or maybe just a slight abberation?
Thanks Carery for the clarification (I feel strangely very relieved!
).I too think the bill is on the large size for Eastern (even nom pallida) or maybe just a slight abberation?
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