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When the Washington Post, New York Times, Atlantic et al. decide to actually print something that doesn't fall conveniently into the dogma of the AGW high priests, only then will they have an ounce of credibility.
They refuse to print anything that is inconvenient to AGW thinking.

A pox on all of them.

And that's President Dumbo to you, Fugs.
 
When the Washington Post, New York Times, Atlantic et al. decide to actually print something that doesn't fall conveniently into the dogma of the AGW high priests, only then will they have an ounce of credibility.
They refuse to print anything that is inconvenient to AGW thinking.

A pox on all of them.
Okay, so for those of us looking for balanced coverage, on both sides, AGW and anti-AGW, liberal or conservative, democrat or republican...what news source should we turn to?
 
Kevin, there is no 'one size fits all'...the bias from all sides is so insidious that many of us base our thinking on reading from many sites.
That isn't easy, especially when 'news' sources like the NYT are so blatantly partisan that they continue to alienate half of their potential customer base with insults and name calling because they don't swallow AGW hook, line and sinker.
They are much like the televised mainstream media who can't embrace Trump. They beat on him daily and yet his approval ratings are better than their messiah Obama at this time in his tenure. Much to their chagrin Americans aren't stupid. They enjoy record-high high paying jobs, home ownership, and increasing retirement accounts. And these perks are extending to persons of color everywhere here! One would think the media would be ecstatic, but hell no.

I've posted here before about the NYT and other sources being caught in blatant AGW lies.
Fugs and his ilk sidestepped my postings altogether or attacked me for any variety of stupid reasons, a misplaced comma or verb tense...or asked me how old the Earth is. Rank stupidity.
 
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Okay, so for those of us looking for balanced coverage, on both sides, AGW and anti-AGW, liberal or conservative, democrat or republican...what news source should we turn to?

It may be that the most credible research on the topic comes from Russia.
Russia has been monitoring the Arctic for a long time. The scientists there appear to be less convinced of AGW, even though Russia would surely benefit from a warmer climate. Their government decision to build up their fleet of nuclear powered icebreakers, at considerable expense, is at least an indication of doubts about the warming trend.
 
It may be that the most credible research on the topic comes from Russia.
Russia has been monitoring the Arctic for a long time. The scientists there appear to be less convinced of AGW, even though Russia would surely benefit from a warmer climate. Their government decision to build up their fleet of nuclear powered icebreakers, at considerable expense, is at least an indication of doubts about the warming trend.

Interesting. Are their scientists not part of the 97% (or whatever the exact figure is), then? Or, like ours, are they simply being ignored by an irresponsible ruler?
 
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Interesting. Are their scientists not part of the 97% (or whatever the exact figure is), then? Or, like ours, are they simply being ignored by an irresponsible ruler?

I don't know. They had been skeptical in the past, but some of the more recent work expresses recognition that real changes are happening.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/09/180919144910.htm
Unfortunately, coverage of Russian scientific work is very spotty and has fallen with the renewed East West chill. If there is a decent source, I'd love to learn about it.
 
I don't know. They had been skeptical in the past, but some of the more recent work expresses recognition that real changes are happening.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/09/180919144910.htm
Unfortunately, coverage of Russian scientific work is very spotty and has fallen with the renewed East West chill. If there is a decent source, I'd love to learn about it.

Thanks for the link—made interesting reading as another illustration of how very complex the whole business is.
 
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What happens when there are too many generations who do not realize (mine included) that we haven't been paying the true costs of everything in society for a while, including caring for the environment:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...-rift-american-left-spark-u-s-climate-n946296

This sort of problem affects more than just climate change, it affects social programs, infrastructure, standard of living, everything.

This is one of those problems for me of "ethically I'm liberal, but fiscally and law-and-order I'm conservative." For example, I'd back Bernie Sanders, except I know darn well there is no way we could ever responsibly pay for everything he'd want to do. (Note: I did not say "Democrat" and "Republican"...both the major parties are such a mixed-up, irresponsible mishmash.)

So really, the Yellow Vests are likely not the first manifestation of this dilemma we'll see. Whether I'll see things like this here stateside remains to be seen (we don't have quite the history of protest France has), but the frustration is there (hence Trump getting into office).

We've all been living in this world of "credit is good; debt is good" mindset for so long. And being forced to barely make it by check-to-check. Something has to give eventually, and it may be the environment gives way first because we don't directly control it like we do various points of the economy.

Maybe the very planet we live on may be what finally knocks the house of cards down?
 
. . .I'd back Bernie Sanders, except I know darn well there is no way we could ever responsibly pay for everything he'd want to do. . ..

Where on earth did you get that idea from? Other countries have successfully enacted progressive agendas, why shouldn’t we?
 
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Where on earth did you get that idea from? Other countries have successfully enacted progressive agendas, why shouldn’t we?

You appear to have fiscal figures on your side for a little reallocation.

No other country has, even in proportion, a defence budget that exceeds all the other countries together by up to a factor of three (depending on the method of calculation)...

A fair bit of slack could be taken up there, perhaps?
MJB
 
You appear to have fiscal figures on your side for a little reallocation.

No other country has, even in proportion, a defence budget that exceeds all the other countries together by up to a factor of three (depending on the method of calculation)...

A fair bit of slack could be taken up there, perhaps?
MJB

Indeed. And, of course, the US being a comparatively lightly taxed country, there’s
even more slack in the tax code.
 
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What happens when there are too many generations who do not realize (mine included) that we haven't been paying the true costs of everything in society for a while, including caring for the environment:
Speak for yourself!
Many are daily paying the price for less abuse to the environment with practical and prudent decisions!

And by the way, if you are a true conservative and even remotely considered to vote for Bernie Sanders, you need to rethink your position. The guy is a Socialist loony, and no I won't elaborate. Do some homework.

Anyone who thinks that we in the U.S.. aren't one of the most taxed nations in the world is a complete idiot. Let those who want more taxes voluntarily give to that cause. Stand back and behold the hypocrisy!

One more thing, Kevin. Buckle up. The same revolt we witnessed in France will erupt elsewhere as elites think they can 'let them eat cake.' Elites want their private jets, and big mansions, (eg. every Hollywood creep and phoney Al Gore) but damnation awaits the average SUV owner. The political winds that have blown in Austria, Italy, Spain, our own U.S. ...will continue to happen elsewhere. People aren't the stupid yokels that the pompous @sses think we are.
 
..... Let those who want more taxes voluntarily give to that cause.....

I like that idea ! :D

A little gem of genius :) :t:

Let's see what proportion "extra" those folk give, for how long, and who they are - along with a time scaled survey.

It would be a fascinating experiment ! ;)




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