4 ids, east Poland, fish ponds (1 Viewer)

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cheekykev

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• Jul 28, 2008

• #1

Can anyone help with these possible

1 black tern
2 marsh harrier
3 little grebes
4 ??

 

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Graham Howard Shortt

• Jul 28, 2008

• #2

The birds in pic 4 are juvenile coots. Pic 5 is a White Wagtail juv. 1 and 2 are, indeed, Black Tern and I'm sure you're right on the Marsh Harrier, too, although I can't manipulate the image on this PC to double-check.

Graham

 

nickderry

C'est pas ma faute, je suis anglais.

• Jul 28, 2008

• #3

I agree with Graham.

 

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cheekykev

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• Jul 28, 2008

• #4

Thanks

 

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GMS

Well-known member

• Jul 28, 2008

• #5

Based on the all white rump is this not a White-winged ?

 

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CAU

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• Jul 28, 2008

• #6

The second picture shows definitely a Black Tern due to the pale underwing coverts (a moulting White-winged Tern would at most show a mottled covert field). However, I agree that the first picture shows some features that resemble White-winged, such as a contrasting white rump and a rather pale upperwing contrasting against the darker back.

Edit: On a closer look, the first bird even seems to show a dark carpal area on the underwing. Is it certain that both photos are of the same bird?

 

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Jan-Paul Charteris

Sussex birder and budding moth enthusiast

• Jul 28, 2008

• #7

CAU said:

The second picture shows definitely a Black Tern due to the pale underwing coverts (a moulting White-winged Tern would at most show a mottled covert field). However, I agree that the first picture shows some features that resemble White-winged, such as a contrasting white rump and a rather pale upperwing contrasting against the darker back.

Edit: On a closer look, the first bird even seems to show a dark carpal area on the underwing. Is it certain that both photos are of the same bird?

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I got the impression the first photo also shows more white above and just behind the eye making the head pattern approach that shown by WWBT in moult, and also its bill gives the impression of being smaller and more spikey (although it is a smaller image)

Jan

 

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QB's finest

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• Jul 28, 2008

• #8

tern is wwbt, is it not a citrine wag? doesnt show any yellow on face or any hint of black breast band. appart from weak head pattern rest seems fine

 

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CAU

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• Jul 29, 2008

• #9

QB's finest said:

tern is wwbt, is it not a citrine wag? doesnt show any yellow on face or any hint of black breast band. appart from weak head pattern rest seems fine

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I believe that the wagtail is a White Wagtail. Although there's no clear dark breast patch visible, the angle is not the best, and some White Wagtails have a rather pale one. Compare to these two, and imagine what they would look from a side view:
http://www.birdpix.nl/album_page.php?pic_id=139693&sid=1ba7acc386e3bb6711e566a2f1b951bd
http://www.birdpix.nl/album_page.php?pic_id=110276&sid=1ba7acc386e3bb6711e566a2f1b951bd
Further, as you noted, the head pattern is weak, resembling White Wagtail, and the white tips on the median and greater coverts are on the narrow side even for a White Wagtail, a Citrine Wagtail would have much broader tips:
http://www.tarsiger.com/gallery/index.php?pic_id=komi1205475784&lang=eng