Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
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"diagnosis not seen" for genus names in the Key A through S (1 Viewer)
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mb1848
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"Diagnosis not yet verified"
● Allasma (L. Davis 1962 (Texas Journ. Sci. 14) or 1978 (Pan Amer. Studies 1))
● Annamornus (L. Davis 1962 (Texas Journ. Sci. 14) or 1978 (Pan American Studies, 1)).
● Diaphorasma (L. Davis 1962 (Texas Journal of Science, 14) or 1978 (Pan American Studies, 1)).
The Texas Journal of Science article is here:
https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/249272#page/88/mode/1up .
BHL says Date Scanned:
04/17/2018!
I do not see any new names.
● Allasma (L. Davis 1962 (Texas Journ. Sci. 14) or 1978 (Pan Amer. Studies 1))
● Annamornus (L. Davis 1962 (Texas Journ. Sci. 14) or 1978 (Pan American Studies, 1)).
● Diaphorasma (L. Davis 1962 (Texas Journal of Science, 14) or 1978 (Pan American Studies, 1)).
The Texas Journal of Science article is here:
https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/249272#page/88/mode/1up .
BHL says Date Scanned:
04/17/2018!
I do not see any new names.
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l_raty
laurent raty
The Pan American Studies paper was announced in Ibis 121 (1979): 154, as:
Thus this would indeed seem to be the thing we are looking for.
Note Annamormis, not Annamornus as reported by Cleere 2010 [here]. Same spelling (and source) in the 53rd supplement to the AOU check-list (2012) [here] (in the synonymy of Antrostomus Bonaparte 1838, here recognised as a valid genus):
Are we sure it's Annamornus that is correct ?
(Note also that apparently two new species were described by Davis 1978 (cf. details in Vuilleumier et al 1992 [here]); Cleere reported only one, but his account seems to be a mixture of both (scientific name of one, 'Allasma northi'; English name ('Kenya Nightjar') and possible identification (Caprimulgus pectoralis) that match what Vuilleumier et al reported for the other). I presume that Vuilleumier et al did not invent this second new species out of nothing; thus (to me) this suggests some problems in what Cleere reported about the paper's content.)
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mb1848
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Thanks Laurent. In another thread Mr. Jobling says, Annamornus (but not yet convinced about this spelling) Davis, 1978, Pan American Studies, 1 (2)...
https://www.birdforum.net/showpost.php?p=3693314&postcount=40 . Seems his concern was warranted.
https://www.birdforum.net/showpost.php?p=3693314&postcount=40 . Seems his concern was warranted.
l_raty
laurent raty
Annamormis doesn't really 'convince' me either, actually... I mean, I just can't guess what this spelling might be intended to mean, if (etymologically) correct.
The other two names are clearly of Greek derivation. (My guesses would be a bit different from what the Key currently proposes -- impossible to be sure without seeing the work, of course -- Diaphorasma, I think might be διάφορος, -ον, unlike/different + ᾆσμα, -ατος, song; Allasma, I think ἄλλος, -η, -ο, other/different + ᾆσμα, -ατος, song. This would be consistent with his classification being based on differences in song.)
Anna-something, on the other hand, really doesn't look like it could be Greek...
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(And maybe it's not. Louie Irby Davis' wife was Anna May Davis, née Tarrence, 1900-1973 (e.g. [here] and [here]). But if the name is a dedication to her, perhaps Annamornis -- Anna M. + ὄρνις -- would indeed have been more logical/expectable...)
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Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
Cited here, on p.795 as:
Looks like we truly need to find that journal!
Apparently hard to find digitized, anyone who know where to find a copy? In real life.
Björn
PS. Laurent, I loved your "more logical" suggestion of the etymology of "Annamornis". Let's verify it!
And here as; ditto (however 1978), but: "... relationships in Caprimulgidae." ... ?
Looks like we truly need to find that journal!
Apparently hard to find digitized, anyone who know where to find a copy? In real life.
Björn
PS. Laurent, I loved your "more logical" suggestion of the etymology of "Annamornis". Let's verify it!
James Jobling
Well-known member
I have booked a visit to the Ornithology Library at Tring for next month, and hope to resolve many of the outstanding queries/diagnoses not seen, including Pan American Studies.
Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
And possibly stricken off again ...
The (first) Richmond card, here, on Euchlornis "de Filippi", leads us to Atti della ottava Riunione degli scienziati italiani, 1847 (here, in text, lower part of p. 449):
... a paper signed by Alessandrini, Bonaparte and Costa (on the next following page)!? Why the Richmond card attributed this name to "De Flilippi" is unknown to me (this said, with very, very, very little understanding of Italian; scusa).
However; also note the other two Richmond cards (here and here), which lead us to Filippo De Filippi's "Museum Mediolanense Animalia Vertebrata Classis II. Aves" (as of here, however no access). Which one was published first is also beyond my understanding.
If of any help?
Or maybe I just removed one book from the List, and added another ...
Björn
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l_raty
laurent raty
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Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
Well spotted, Laurent, I simply (apparently) missed that il Dottore was mentioned!
Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
"Museum Mediolanense, Animalia vertebrata, Classis II, Aves, pubblicato a Milano nel mese di marzo 1847" (here)
Also mentioned here, again; Martii (March) 1847 ... but as "Musaeum ...".
However Catalogo del Servizio Bibliotecario Nazionale says; Titolo (Title): "Animalia Vertebrata. Classis 2., Aves / Museum Mediolanense" ... (here).
Clearly that book has precedence, as the Paper in Atti della ottava Riunione degli scienziati italiani refered to a meeting "del giorno 18 Settembre" (1846), published in August 1847 (see page prior to the Title page, here).
Back to square one!
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Also mentioned here, again; Martii (March) 1847 ... but as "Musaeum ...".
However Catalogo del Servizio Bibliotecario Nazionale says; Titolo (Title): "Animalia Vertebrata. Classis 2., Aves / Museum Mediolanense" ... (here).
Clearly that book has precedence, as the Paper in Atti della ottava Riunione degli scienziati italiani refered to a meeting "del giorno 18 Settembre" (1846), published in August 1847 (see page prior to the Title page, here).
Back to square one!
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mb1848
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"In von Müller 1854 the specific name for Carpospiza is longipennis. Bonaparte uses the name Carpospiza brevipennis." Here is a catalogue of the Stuttgart Museum's bird skins with an intro by von Müller in the catalog it states that Carpospiza brevipennis author is von Müller and the bird came from Cordofan.
https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/49451#page/53/mode/1up .
https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/49451#page/53/mode/1up .
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l_raty
laurent raty
Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
Well done, Laurent! :t:
I´ve looked for it several times, the very last time about a month ago ...
Answer: Uploaded on "April 19, 2018". Fresh on the Internet. Wow!
Perseverance does it!
/B
I´ve looked for it several times, the very last time about a month ago ...
Answer: Uploaded on "April 19, 2018". Fresh on the Internet. Wow!
Perseverance does it!
/B
Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
l_raty
laurent raty
Lugensa Mathews
(But, should this name really be a syn. of Aphrodroma...? Aphrodroma was proposed by Olson ([here]) on the premise that Procellaria lugens Kuhl, and therefore Lugensa Mathews (the type of which is lugens), did not apply to the Kerguelen Petrel. If Aphrodroma and Lugensa are synonyms, Lugensa has precedence and should be the valid name. Aphrodroma can be valid only if Lugensa is not its synonym.)
[pdf here]. (...really not much more than what can be seen in the snippet, though.)
(But, should this name really be a syn. of Aphrodroma...? Aphrodroma was proposed by Olson ([here]) on the premise that Procellaria lugens Kuhl, and therefore Lugensa Mathews (the type of which is lugens), did not apply to the Kerguelen Petrel. If Aphrodroma and Lugensa are synonyms, Lugensa has precedence and should be the valid name. Aphrodroma can be valid only if Lugensa is not its synonym.)
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James Jobling
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Laurent, the point you make is valid. However, in the Key I follow the nomenclature of the HBW & BLI Illustrated Checklist of the Birds of the World, 1 and 2, and have added del Hoyo & Collar's comment therein (1, p. 380) under Lugensa.
mb1848
Well-known member
Salvin thought that brevirostris was the specific name. Having looked at Lesson's types.
https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/108982#page/327/mode/1up
https://viewer.soton.ac.uk/nol/image/1184391/394/#head .
https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/89679#page/158/mode/1up . I know that does not help this situation.
https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/108982#page/327/mode/1up
https://viewer.soton.ac.uk/nol/image/1184391/394/#head .
https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/89679#page/158/mode/1up . I know that does not help this situation.
mb1848
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Captain Cook’s journal:
1st February 1769
Off Cape Horn
First part, fresh Gales; latter, light Airs and Cloudy; P.M. found the Variation by several Azimuth to be 24 degrees 53 minutes East. At Noon sounded, but had no ground with 240 fathoms of line; hoisted a Boat out to try if there was any Current, but found none. The weather was such as to admit Mr. Banks to row round the Ship in a Lighterman's Skiff shooting birds.
Joseph Banks Journal (same date)
Calm this morn: went out in the boat and Killd Diomedea antarctica, Procellaria antarctica and turtur. Diomedaea antarctica the Black billd albatross is much like the common but differs from him in being scarce half as large and having a bill intirely black. Procellaria lugens the Southern shear water differs from the common one in being less and darker colourd on the back, but is easily distinguishd by his flight which is heavy, and two fascia or streaks of white under his wings which are very conspicuous when he flies.
Forster by Lichtenstein 1844:
Inter species huius generis a Kuhlio et Lalhamo recensitas
nullam video praeler P. griseam Gmelini, quae descriptioni huic For-
sterianae respondeat. Conferantur modo, quae Kuhlius de caudae for-
ma, remigum longitudine et pedum pictura perhibet cum Lathami
descriptione in synopsi et indice, praesertim ubi de specimine Leve-
riano (mento juguloque candidis insigni) loquitur. P t melanopus Gmel.
et Lath. fortasse nonnisi aetate a P. grisea differt.
Kuhl provided a drawing of Procellaria grisae (9) but not Pr. lugens.
https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/89679#page/427/mode/1up .
There are two images by Sydney Parkinson nos. 21 and 22 which would be nice to see.
Parkinson no 31 and 25
https://nhmimages.com/?service=asse...43,10073,10271,10058&basket_item_id=undefined .
https://nhmimages.com/?service=asse...10232,8165,8171,8159&basket_item_id=undefined .
Lesson Pr. brevirostris
https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/111050#page/649/mode/1up .
Perhaps there needs to be a neotype.
http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1984-46702016000604003 .
https://archive.org/stream/biostor-75755/biostor-75755_djvu.txt .
1st February 1769
Off Cape Horn
First part, fresh Gales; latter, light Airs and Cloudy; P.M. found the Variation by several Azimuth to be 24 degrees 53 minutes East. At Noon sounded, but had no ground with 240 fathoms of line; hoisted a Boat out to try if there was any Current, but found none. The weather was such as to admit Mr. Banks to row round the Ship in a Lighterman's Skiff shooting birds.
Joseph Banks Journal (same date)
Calm this morn: went out in the boat and Killd Diomedea antarctica, Procellaria antarctica and turtur. Diomedaea antarctica the Black billd albatross is much like the common but differs from him in being scarce half as large and having a bill intirely black. Procellaria lugens the Southern shear water differs from the common one in being less and darker colourd on the back, but is easily distinguishd by his flight which is heavy, and two fascia or streaks of white under his wings which are very conspicuous when he flies.
Forster by Lichtenstein 1844:
Inter species huius generis a Kuhlio et Lalhamo recensitas
nullam video praeler P. griseam Gmelini, quae descriptioni huic For-
sterianae respondeat. Conferantur modo, quae Kuhlius de caudae for-
ma, remigum longitudine et pedum pictura perhibet cum Lathami
descriptione in synopsi et indice, praesertim ubi de specimine Leve-
riano (mento juguloque candidis insigni) loquitur. P t melanopus Gmel.
et Lath. fortasse nonnisi aetate a P. grisea differt.
Kuhl provided a drawing of Procellaria grisae (9) but not Pr. lugens.
https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/89679#page/427/mode/1up .
There are two images by Sydney Parkinson nos. 21 and 22 which would be nice to see.
Parkinson no 31 and 25
https://nhmimages.com/?service=asse...43,10073,10271,10058&basket_item_id=undefined .
https://nhmimages.com/?service=asse...10232,8165,8171,8159&basket_item_id=undefined .
Lesson Pr. brevirostris
https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/111050#page/649/mode/1up .
Perhaps there needs to be a neotype.
http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1984-46702016000604003 .
https://archive.org/stream/biostor-75755/biostor-75755_djvu.txt .
Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
Doris who's birds?
Here´s a small sequel of post #121, maybe worth considering ...
In Die Vogelarten der Erde (1975-1982), by Hans Edmund Wolters, we find the descriptions of the two all un-explained generic names: Dorisornis, on p.413, and Dorisella, on p.414 (OD's attached). The book itself is dedicated: "Den Andenken an meine Mutter" ...
Does anyone know if the name of Mother Wolters maybe was Doris? Or who this all unknow Doris possibly could have been?
Just curious (none of those names are included in my MS, of Swedish Common Bird names) ...
Björn
PS. Or possibly Dorothea? In the same book (on p.407) we also find "Planesticus lherminieri dorotheae nom. nov." (today's Forest Thrush subspecies Turdus lherminieri dorotheae). Also attached.
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Here´s a small sequel of post #121, maybe worth considering ...
In Die Vogelarten der Erde (1975-1982), by Hans Edmund Wolters, we find the descriptions of the two all un-explained generic names: Dorisornis, on p.413, and Dorisella, on p.414 (OD's attached). The book itself is dedicated: "Den Andenken an meine Mutter" ...
Does anyone know if the name of Mother Wolters maybe was Doris? Or who this all unknow Doris possibly could have been?
Just curious (none of those names are included in my MS, of Swedish Common Bird names) ...
Björn
PS. Or possibly Dorothea? In the same book (on p.407) we also find "Planesticus lherminieri dorotheae nom. nov." (today's Forest Thrush subspecies Turdus lherminieri dorotheae). Also attached.
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