Simon Wates
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Cheers, that's great, its an oldish paper but interesting knowledge:t:. I'm confused though because Portuguese botanists seem to not have a consensus on the issue nowadays. Also I thought P.pinea was native to Italy?
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Falco eleonorae? (1 Viewer)
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Cheers, that's great, its an oldish paper but interesting knowledge:t:. I'm confused though because Portuguese botanists seem to not have a consensus on the issue nowadays. Also I thought P.pinea was native to Italy?
Nutcracker
Stop Brexit!
Not sure why Portuguese botanists should think that!
No, very likely not native to Italy, though cultivated for millennia and locally naturalised there.
rollingthunder
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Well there you go, it highlights the pitfalls of vernacular names - as we found out with Mountain Ash on another thread
As for the bird i am not a fan of using a persons name at the specific level of Latin nomenclature but would prefer it to be honoured at subspecific and just the nominate race. Eleonaora imo is fine for the commonly used vernacular as it celebrates a woman who not only passed probably the World’s first conservation legislation but championed wimminz rights in Sardinia in the 1400’s:eek!: No mean feat considering the macho society that still exists in the Mediterranean to this day:t:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleonora's_falcon
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As for the bird i am not a fan of using a persons name at the specific level of Latin nomenclature but would prefer it to be honoured at subspecific and just the nominate race. Eleonaora imo is fine for the commonly used vernacular as it celebrates a woman who not only passed probably the World’s first conservation legislation but championed wimminz rights in Sardinia in the 1400’s:eek!: No mean feat considering the macho society that still exists in the Mediterranean to this day:t:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleonora's_falcon
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Simon Wates
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Eminent Portuguese botanists have a long running debate and what seems established is that nobody knows for sure if Pinus pinea is truly native. All I could find to reference this doubt quickly was the trusted Flora-on website that is run by some of the most experienced botanists here - I'm sure there is more stuff as in the past I have read bits of debate here and there on social media.
https://flora-on.pt/index.php#/1Pinus+pinea
Simon Wates
Well-known member
Thanks Miguel. That is an early date, its much more normal in August-September. It is uncanny you should see "the Falcon of the Queen" before a Peregrine at that site
Nutcracker
Stop Brexit!
Not sure I get you there! Why just for a subspecies, and what would you do if that subspecies then gets split as a species?
rollingthunder
Well-known member
You know what i mean NuttyBoy - i will leave what you have proposed to pedants..........like you
Laurie:t:
Laurie:t:
