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Old Saturday 13th January 2018, 14:42   #1
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which camera should i get

I would like to upgrade my camera and would really like some help and advice. I have a panasonic lumix which is around 3 years old. I would really like a camera with a much better sensor as mine is pretty useless in low light, also which lens would be best. I am happy to look up to 1500 approx to get the right one. Any suggestions gratefully received. Thanks.
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Old Saturday 13th January 2018, 17:23   #2
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I would like to upgrade my camera and would really like some help and advice. I have a panasonic lumix which is around 3 years old. I would really like a camera with a much better sensor as mine is pretty useless in low light, also which lens would be best. I am happy to look up to 1500 approx to get the right one. Any suggestions gratefully received. Thanks.
Which LUMIX do you have?

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Hi. I have a lumix DMC FZ72.
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I would like to upgrade my camera and would really like some help and advice. I have a panasonic lumix which is around 3 years old. I would really like a camera with a much better sensor as mine is pretty useless in low light, also which lens would be best. I am happy to look up to 1500 approx to get the right one. Any suggestions gratefully received. Thanks.
Hi Dee Dee, a Nikon D7200 + Tamron G2 150-600 f6.3 should be close to your budget, and hard to beat.



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I would like to upgrade my camera and would really like some help and advice. I have a panasonic lumix which is around 3 years old. I would really like a camera with a much better sensor as mine is pretty useless in low light, also which lens would be best. I am happy to look up to 1500 approx to get the right one. Any suggestions gratefully received. Thanks.
I use an EOS 5D Mk3 for my more "serious" photography. But for hikes and birding trips I much prefer my little Lumix GX8. For me this is a suitable compromise between image quality and low carrying weight. The successor to the GX8 (guess the name: GX9!) has just been released; probably an even better camera.
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Ok here goes. Yet another mix.
My main camera is a Canon EOS 70D, originally coupled with a Canon 100-400 MkI. I now use a Sigma 150-600 lens. With the crop factor of the camera, this gives a 35mm equivalent of around 900mm. However, I bought a Panasonic G7 as a general camera and have now added a Panasonic Leica 100-400 f4-6.3. This is a lightweight, compact combination that gives excellent results.
All that said, the Canon let me down due to getting wet on a holiday to Costa Rica. Thankfully my wife uses a Canon SX50, that saved our holidays and captured some excellent images. So what about one of the newer bridge cameras?

I don't envy your camera challenge. Advice is given free, experience you pay for!
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I would really like a camera with a much better sensor as mine is pretty useless in low light, also which lens would be best. I am happy to look up to 1500 approx to get the right one.
Hi Dee Dee,

For better low light capability, I think there are three main sensor options, in order of size from largest to smallest: a full frame sensor (found in high end DSLRs), an APS-C sensor (found in most DSLRs and some mirrorless cameras), or a micro 4/3 sensor (found in certain mirrorless cameras made by Olympus and Panasonic). The larger the sensor, the better the low light capability. However, the larger the sensor, the bigger and heavier the lens you need to get a frame filling shot of a bird. (Of course, you can crop, but the more you crop the more you negate the low light advantage of the larger sensor).

If you prefer the gear you carry around to be three pounds or less, then I would look to micro 4/3 (these are made by Olympus and Panasonic), which a couple of the posts above mention. If you don't mind carrying around five pounds or more of gear, then you should consider the other options as well. I personally prefer the 3 pounds or less option, so have been using m4/3s for many years. You can see the results in the link in my signature.

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Old Monday 5th March 2018, 00:31   #8
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Hi Dee Dee, a Nikon D7200 + Tamron G2 150-600 f6.3 should be close to your budget, and hard to beat.



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OP is your budget 1500 total? if so this is a good shout. If you can afford t 0though a do get for example a nikon body like a D7200 then the nikkor 200-500mm F/5.6 is a top budget lens to match it up with. The extra stop makes up for the lack fo the extra 100mm imho.
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You might also consider the new Sony RX10IV, a bridge camera built around a 1" sensor and with an excellent 24-600 mm equivalent Zeiss lens.
While it does not offer quite the zoom of your FZ72, it does give much better image quality and is weather sealed.
Reviews have been very good, with the auto focus getting special praise, plus it is a lot more handy than a camera with a 600 mm prime focus lens attached.
Only glitch is the price is at the extreme of your budget.

Steve Ingraham has a review of the camera here: https://psnp.info/psnp_/
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Just some more info for OP: The Tamron/Nikon combo mentioned above weighs approximately six pounds. Also, you can get significantly better low light capability with the larger micro 4/3 sensor (and somewhat better overall image quality) compared to one inch sensors. But the Sony RX10IV does have the unusual advantage of a minimum aperture that is continuous throughout the zoom range, which is a major advantage in low light. However, it is not an interchangeable lens camera, and personally I wouldn't want to be limited to just 600 mm for bird photography. (Though getting to 800 mm in micro 4/3 will probably exceed your budget).
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Just some more info for OP: The Tamron/Nikon combo mentioned above weighs approximately six pounds. Also, you can get significantly better low light capability with the larger micro 4/3 sensor (and somewhat better overall image quality) compared to one inch sensors. But the Sony RX10IV does have the unusual advantage of a minimum aperture that is continuous throughout the zoom range, which is a major advantage in low light. However, it is not an interchangeable lens camera, and personally I wouldn't want to be limited to just 600 mm for bird photography. (Though getting to 800 mm in micro 4/3 will probably exceed your budget).
Sadly the Sony does not have a constant aperture, it drops from 2.4 at 24 mm to 4.0 at 600 mm equivalent. However, I believe it offers extended reach to 1200 mm equivalent at the price of a reduced pixel count.

More broadly, I believe the bulk and weight of the long lenses are serious limiting factors for many photographers. Bridge cameras are much more portable, as well as more flexible, at the price of somewhat lower performance. That is a fair trade-off for many users, especially travelers.
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Sadly the Sony does not have a constant aperture, it drops from 2.4 at 24 mm to 4.0 at 600 mm equivalent.
I stand corrected then. Still, fairly fast at max zoom.
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Old Saturday 10th March 2018, 13:52   #13
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I've just bought the Sony RX10 iv. It's early days but I'm hoping my SLR days are behind me. Fed up of lugging it around. I think SLRs are not the future for most birders/naturalists.
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I've just bought the Sony RX10 iv. It's early days but I'm hoping my SLR days are behind me. Fed up of lugging it around. I think SLRs are not the future for most birders/naturalists.
Please keep us posted on your experiences and impressions.
It would be very helpful to get your perspective transitioning to this camera from an experienced SLR birder background.
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Please keep us posted on your experiences and impressions.
It would be very helpful to get your perspective transitioning to this camera from an experienced SLR birder background.
I will start a thread in the Sony section when I am in a position to really comment. My initial feeling as regards 'useability' is it's very good. FPs rate mad: I've turned it down to medium which is 12 fps - I think. I find backfocusing pretty essential as the shutter is very sensitive and trying to push it down half way usually results in me taking about 20 shots. Mind you those with less clumsy hands than mine may do okay. The only problem with that is the back button is obviously in a slightly different place to my 7D mark ii so I keep missing.

Sadly uninspiring weather and uninspiring birding has meant I haven't actually used it that much but it won't be too long before its first foreign outing when I should be in a much better position to comment and to decide whether to keep the SLR gear or sell it.
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Thanks for all your comments. Well i have ended up with a Nikon D7200 with a Sigma 150 - 600mm lens. Must admit, i have alot to learn, but hopefully will get to grips with it eventually!!! Thinking i may have to increase my spinnach intake now, or start weight training!!!!!
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Thanks for all your comments. Well i have ended up with a Nikon D7200 with a Sigma 150 - 600mm lens. Must admit, i have alot to learn, but hopefully will get to grips with it eventually!!! Thinking i may have to increase my spinnach intake now, or start weight training!!!!!
Haha yes the 150-600 is one I have my eye on as well. Thankfully I work at a hospital with physiotherapists or, worst case, orthopaedic surgeons to hand. I have a feeling I may need them after trying it out the other day!
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Thanks for all your comments. Well i have ended up with a Nikon D7200 with a Sigma 150 - 600mm lens. Must admit, i have alot to learn, but hopefully will get to grips with it eventually!!! Thinking i may have to increase my spinnach intake now, or start weight training!!!!!
Nice ! DeeDee

I carry my rig on a Black Rapid Sport sling and I highly recommend one of their upper end models. Not only does it make carrying super easy and comfortable, but it is ultra quick to use on something that flies into range as you are walking along. It is also very handy as a firm stable brace when in the shooting position - the adjustment for this corresponds to comfortable carrying position for me - so win win. About ~$70 very well spent. http://www.blackrapid.com/all?order=...&display=table

I highly recommend it.



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Nice ! DeeDee

I carry my rig on a Black Rapid Sport sling and I highly recommend one of their upper end models. Not only does it make carrying super easy and comfortable, but it is ultra quick to use on something that flies into range as you are walking along. It is also very handy as a firm stable brace when in the shooting position - the adjustment for this corresponds to comfortable carrying position for me - so win win. About ~$70 very well spent. http://www.blackrapid.com/all?order=...&display=table

I highly recommend it.



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Cheaper alternatives are available. I've had Black Rapid straps break on me twice; the cheaper ones haven't. Luckily I have quick reactions. I like this one https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 because of the safety teather. Both times my BR strap broke this would have stopped the camera falling.
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Cheaper alternatives are available. I've had Black Rapid straps break on me twice; the cheaper ones haven't. Luckily I have quick reactions. I like this one https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 because of the safety teather. Both times my BR strap broke this would have stopped the camera falling.
Interesting Steve - where abouts exactly did your BR setup break? How much weight were you carrying on it? And for how long before it broke?

I've got 6lbs on mine (borne on the lens tripod foot) for about 2 years actual use - say 2 or 3 times a week on average. There is very minimal wear (necking) on the metal attachment clip, though I have seen photos of worse (greater than half the diameter ....)

Looks like there are lots of generic permutations available ..... lol. China.



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Interesting Steve - where abouts exactly did your BR setup break? How much weight were you carrying on it? And for how long before it broke?

I've got 6lbs on mine (borne on the lens tripod foot) for about 2 years actual use - say 2 or 3 times a week on average. There is very minimal wear (necking) on the metal attachment clip, though I have seen photos of worse (greater than half the diameter ....)

Looks like there are lots of generic permutations available ..... lol. China.



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Once it was the bit that goes into the camera thread and once th bit that is attached to. Whatever a 7D and 100 - 400L weigh. About 3kg.
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Once it was the bit that goes into the camera thread and once th bit that is attached to. Whatever a 7D and 100 - 400L weigh. About 3kg.
Thanks for the heads up Steve

I just checked mine, and the screw in eyelet (into the tripod foot of the lens) is ok (I had it done up really tight) both on the thread and the inside surface of the eyelet. The inside surface of the connecting carabiner has lost its black surface coating, and there is perhaps ~0.5-1mm necking evident at the bottom inside of the curve where the contact is, and the weight is borne.

I will have to keep an eye on it, and one of those back up tethers sounds like a good idea. I'm in the habit of checking that the eyelet thread is done up tight everytime I put the sling on and go for a walk anyway.



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Too late to the show, I guess. I have the Panasonic G81 with the Pana 100-400 and couldn't be happier. The combo has dual stabilisation (in camera and in lens), and I am finally getting sharp shots from birds far away.
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Thanks for all your comments. Well i have ended up with a Nikon D7200 with a Sigma 150 - 600mm lens. Must admit, i have alot to learn, but hopefully will get to grips with it eventually!!! Thinking i may have to increase my spinnach intake now, or start weight training!!!!!
Missed this thread earlier- I'm a big fan of the D7200 - an excellent choice! I use it with a 300mm PF and 1.4x converter - much more compact but would've been over your budget, with less reach.

I've got a Peak Design Slide camera strap, which you might look at as an alternative to the Black Rapid. Very happy with it, camera sits lens-down on your waist- comfortable, discreet, and hasn't let me down yet...with the Sigma I think you'd attach one end to the tripod collar, it uses an Arca-Swiss compatible plate so would have the advantage of being easy to place on a suitable tripod head.
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Congrats on your purchase. I have been considering the Sigma 150-600 lens, as well as the Tamron variant. Hope it tracks well and is a sharp lens for you.
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