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Greenland race Wheatear,Wales

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Old Monday 13th October 2008, 17:38   #1
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Greenland race Wheatear,Wales

A bit of dejavu here as I asked the same question about this time last year.LOL.
Any ideas as to whether these two pics are of a Greenland race Wheatear?
They were the best I could get.Cheers,Mike.
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Old Monday 13th October 2008, 18:58   #2
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Looks like a Greenland Wheatear.
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Old Monday 13th October 2008, 19:39   #3
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Looks good for a Greenland Wheatear. BTW, nice pics!
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Old Monday 13th October 2008, 20:10   #4
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Hello Mike.

Could of course be a leucorhora race of Northern Wheatear, but variation makes it difficult to be sure from these pic. - unless the bird is caught for measurement.

Check this thread:

http://www.birdforum.net/showthread....nland+wheatear

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Old Monday 13th October 2008, 20:20   #5
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This probably is a Greenland, but it's much more instructive to say why you think a bird is a particular race, rather than just saying 'yes it is one'

To be honest, if I saw this bird I'd put it down as a possible Greenland because it doesn't look particularly long-winged (I've seen better Greenland candidates with the tips of the primaries reaching virtually to the end of the tail), it isn't particularly deep, rich orangey buff extensively on the underparts, plus structurally it doesn't appear to be very pot-bellied and upright of stance (although this latter observation is a little subjective and perhaps not well represented in a few photos of an individual).

As always races of species can be a bit of a can of worms, and sometimes only obvious individuals can be put down as good candidates. As far as I know the only way to be sure if a Wheatear is a Greenland race is to measure the wing length...and even then there is some overlap!

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Old Monday 13th October 2008, 20:44   #6
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You could always go to Greenland to see one !!
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The reason I asked is the deep buff colouration extending down the breast lower than normal.It was noticably taller and `bigger` than a Northern Wheatear I took a pic of about half hour before in the same location (see pic) and obviously being the time of year when the Greenland race is passing through.Another local birder also thought he saw two Greenland race up there a few days ago.

Thanks for the input folks,always appreciated.
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Old Monday 13th October 2008, 21:52   #8
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Looks very similar to wheatears we get here - Pyrenees. If I knew how to attach a 4mb picture I would....
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