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Old Thursday 2nd August 2018, 10:36   #126
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New Nikon Full Frame Mirrorless Mount Video Teaser ....

https://www.nikonrumors.co/

Anyone any good at translating Japanese speech ?


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"This new mount is Nikon's response to the challenges of the future."

Apparently it will solve the environmental and greenhouse gas problems,
pretty impressive.

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"This new mount is Nikon's response to the challenges of the future."

Apparently it will solve the environmental and greenhouse gas problems, pretty impressive.
"Gateway to a New Dimension" .....

Looks like it will also have warp drive, teleporters, worm holes, or stargates too !




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Interesting post here: https://www.nikonrumors.co/roundup-r...-release-date/ showing the huge new mount, and physical "goldilocks" sizing of the body in comparison to Nikon's own D850, and the Sony A7rIII .......




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Old Friday 3rd August 2018, 21:00   #129
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"Gateway to a New Dimension" .....

Looks like it will also have warp drive, teleporters, worm holes, or stargates too !

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Nikon marketing is definitely warping into a new dimension here.
Leica's 3D claim for the Noctivid seems quite modest in comparison.

The mount looks really big on the comparison photos.
Edge sharpness will probably be as good as MFT with those new
lenses. Lightyears more expensive though, probably.

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Nice orthographic view of the new Nikon FF Mirrorless 'in the hand' ..... looks like better than usual Mirrorless ergonomics
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Hahaha !

Quite funny :) and on point too ..... Nikon, with their delays, and quite deliberate (and drawn out) 'teaser' campaign, have built this thing up to be bigger than Ben Hur ....

It had want to be good. Not just matching the competition good - but moving the game on good. Significantly.

From what we know so far, I'm not sure that is possible with what they are going to deliver.

Also, with that large grip it should handle very well with large lenses, but even with the smallest (or pancake even) lenses it still won't be at all pocketable as a walk around travel cam ....

I honestly don't know why manufacturers don't come up with a 'transformer' style horizontal grip ?? They seem to have the attachment, connection, functionality, and weather proofing down pat with their vertical grip accessories - so it's just a matter of deciding to do it



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Old Wednesday 15th August 2018, 12:22   #133
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New Nikon FF Mirrorless cameras to be called:
Z6 - 24MP, high speed, low light (aka Sony A9 competitor?)
Z7 - 45MP, (aka Sony A7R III competitor?)

Sensors are CMOS - no mention of BSI or Stacked architecture.

3 lenses will also be announced on the 23rd August:
24-70 f4
50 f1.8
and an f1.8 wideangle of either 24, 28, or 35mm.

https://www.nikonrumors.co/nikon-z6-...rd-w-3-lenses/


Also - soon after will come the announcement of the new Z-NOCT-NIKKOR 58mm f0.95

https://www.nikonrumors.co/z-noct-ni...nnounced-soon/

So the original mail as reported in my OP was pretty close to the mark then.
Strange naming convention for the Nikon FF Mirrorless models don't you think?



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Old Monday 20th August 2018, 05:56   #134
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Interesting report here https://www.nikonrumors.co/nikon-z7-...g-in-november/

The 45MP CMOS (some sources list it as BSI also) sensor of the Z7 will 'compete' with the Sony a7R III, and be better than the Nikon D850 due to the architecture.

The new adapter will also be "pretty much free" when purchasing either the Z6 or Z7 and make up to 400 lenses compatible (with either electronic or mechanical apertures).

It seems that some of the lenses will also have Fresnel elements to keep the size and weight down .....

Shipping will be in November.

“Just spoken to a franchise director at LCE, apparently Thursday will be a very exciting day indeed. The adapter for the new mirrorless camera will pretty much be free when bought with either model, and the adaptor will make upto 400 lenses compatible so that’ll make all lenses with either electronic or mechanical apertures compatible. The sensor will be better than the D850 owing to how they’ve constructed the diodes and the way it’s capturing more light, and the new range of lenses will have fresnel elements to give an ‘effective’ larger aperture (so I was told a 1.8 will be marketed as 1.8 but behaves like a 1.4, and be tiny) much like their new 300mm that shrunk
Pre orders coming Thursday to ship mid November“




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First leaked product photos of Z6 and Z7:

https://nikonrumors.com/2018/08/21/b...-cameras.aspx/

Not sure about the buttons 'n controls, grip looks rather low.
Probably need a battery grip to make the Z cams comfy to hold.
D500 (or D300s) is pretty much ergonomic perfection IMO as you don't need a battery grip.

35 and 50mm looks kind if "smallish", but how light could they be with the larger mount?

Lens photos here:

https://nikonrumors.com/2018/08/21/t...x/#more-124967

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Not sure about the buttons 'n controls, grip looks rather low.
Probably need a battery grip to make the Z cams comfy to hold.
D500 (or D300s) is pretty much ergonomic perfection IMO as you don't need a battery grip.
I don’t know. The overlays in the post below make it seem they tried to keep the grip the same as the DSLR’s, with perhaps more room for your fingers. I like what I see in general as far as the design, although I prefer Fuji’s LCD that tilts to any angle.

https://nikonrumors.com/2018/08/22/a...-cameras.aspx/

It’s looking like a nice camera to me. Good grief Nikon should have done this years ago.

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Ok, maybe Vespobuteo is right. That photo makes it more obvious these Z cameras are significantly smaller than the D850 and the reduction in size could be an issue for some.

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Old Wednesday 22nd August 2018, 14:29   #139
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Some of these latter, and clearer shots (particularly the plan view - if to accurate comparison scale, as has already been mentioned), show a rather diminutive camera ..... more Sony a7R III than anything else. All is forgivable ergonomics-wise provided that the grip is large enough and fills the hand.

I will have to get one in hand, but it now doesn't look like the grip is as handful filling as the ergonomically just about perfect D500 ..... apologies for my earlier enthusiasm! :) It will be real interesting to see how this body handles the new 5 or 600mm f5.6 PF lenses (hopefully with the option of a native mirorless Z mount).

It will also be interesting to see confirmation or not of the rumoured fresnel lenses in some of the 4 new mirorless lenses range too - thus making them substantially lighter and smaller . .......




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I wonder if the Z models will have a high-res pixel shift mode too? ..... I don't recall any reliable speculation on that ......



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Nikon Z7

45.7 MP back-illuminated CMOS
EXPEED 6
The hybrid AF system covers about 90% of the imaging area
Continuous: 9 frames / sec
3.2" touchscreen
Recording medium: XQD card
Size: 134 x 100.5 x 67.5 mm
Weight: 675 g
British pricing: body:£3399, lens kit:£3499, 24-70mm kit:£3999, 24-70mm + FTZ:£4099
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Specs comparison:
Nikon D5 vs D850 vs D750 vs D500 vs Z7 vs Z6 vs SONY a7R III vs a7 III
https://nikonrumors.com/2018/08/22/n...mparison.aspx/

Looks squarely aimed at the SONY a7's with some handy incremental gains .....


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Well, the eagle has landed !

It seems that the "pretty much free" FTZ adapter will cost you a minimum of $150 if you buy it with a Z6 or Z7 this year, otherwise you'll fork over another $100 on top of that. No mention of weight of the FTZ adapter that I can find so far, but if you are using an F mount lens, it pretty much puts you back at DSLR size with not as good grip ergonomics.

https://m.dpreview.com/articles/0039...traffic_source


This makes the proposed lens rollout critical, but it seems a native super telephoto prime is not even on the radar yet .....

https://m.dpreview.com/news/11768729...8mm-f0-95-noct



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Nikon Z7 what you need to know:
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Nikon Z7, first impressions review
https://m.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon...traffic_source

It seems the buffer is a little on the small side ....
Also the rated 330 shots of the battery seems pitifully low ...



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Nikon Z7, first impressions review
https://m.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon...traffic_source

It seems the buffer is a little on the small side ....

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It's a neat little product segmentation trick. Only 1 card slot is another.
Nikon want to sell their DSLR:s as well.

Z6 and Z7 look like nice cams but for wildlife/action/sports,
I don't see them as the first choice.

Maybe there will be a Z500 or Z5 in the future with bigger grip, battery, buffer etc.
But my guess is that there will be a D600 and D6 before that.

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if you want to go mirrorless and can afford it why buy one card slot ? Imagine you've just taken a pic you know you'll never ever get again and and 10 minutes later the card claps out ? Nikon saves all the money from focus module , mirror ,labour and pentaprism and cheapskates on second slot but charges D850 price !
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Is this useful for wildlife?

The thing I wonder is with no telephoto appearing on the roadmap, will birders use one of these with F - mount lenses and converter? Is this a worthwhile idea? I'm not sure. Maybe the D850 will reign supreme for a while yet?
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It's a neat little product segmentation trick. Only 1 card slot is another.
Nikon want to sell their DSLR:s as well.

Z6 and Z7 look like nice cams but for wildlife/action/sports,
I don't see them as the first choice.

Maybe there will be a Z500 or Z5 in the future with bigger grip, battery, buffer etc.
But my guess is that there will be a D600 and D6 before that.
Yes, I fully agree! It seems that Nikon has done just 'enough' to fall over the line without setting the world on fire.

Leading EVF (but not massively better than Sony), nice size touchscreen considering the form factor, a bit better video performance (compared to D850) .... but those 'niggly' little druthers .... buffer limitations and card constraints. We should consider the delivered product against Nikon's stated aims (as I posted at the start of this thread).

I would suggest they are nice little cams for the Nikon faithful !

Sony has room to move the game on with an a7(R) IV revision ..... and they have shown the will to do it.

It does seem the way is paved for further segmentation with room for a DX Z500 (perhaps called Z5) with larger buffer, and a Z9 (Sony a9 competitor) , higher speed, bigger buffer, better AF.




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I would suggest they are nice little cams for the Nikon faithful !
I agree. It's a nice looking full frame mirrorless camera and a good start. Not everything we could have hoped, but not bad and it should be good enough to finally get Nikon "in the game"... Now let's see if they can roll it all out smoothly without delays, shortages, issues, etc. Good that they provided a lens road map. And I'll watch to see how soon the 3rd party lens makers start to offer native Z-mount lenses. If I were getting this I would want to commit to the native mount. I would not want to use that FTZ adapter forever... Also I just wouldn't love the idea of an FTZ adapter PLUS a teleconverter plus a lens...

And I don't see any native Z mount long telephotos anywhere on the road map at least at the moment. For that reason and several others, I think I agree with others that these first Z cameras are probably not the best choice for someone buying a brand-new system especially for birds/wildlife. But that's ok; I did not expect that. It still looks like a nice all-round new camera system. And I'm sure people could take very nice bird photos with the Z7 in DX crop mode plus an adapted F-mount telephoto.

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