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Old Wednesday 28th January 2004, 15:34   #1
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What price for used Televid?

What price do people think would be fair for the following:

Leica APO Televid 77, 30xw, Leica SOC.

I have seen one advertised privately, supposedly in immaculate condition with no marks at all, 1 year old. The price looks okay. Thanks. Leif
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Old Wednesday 28th January 2004, 16:13   #2
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Leif,
Sounds dodgy to me....Leica don't do a 30x wide angle lens.
Unless it's a sawn off zoom!
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Old Wednesday 28th January 2004, 16:33   #3
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One sold quickly in a Leicester shop around last September for £600 (with zoom).

Private sale, I would think ~£450. Make sure you closely check the optics - the one in Leicester had clouding behind the fromt objective (but still sold! With a 6-month warrantry, though). Also - if you're not trying before buying, bear in mind teh Leica's weight and length.

But... it's a beaut of a scope if you don't mind that!
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Old Wednesday 28th January 2004, 16:40   #4
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Steve,
I've not noticed a great deal of difference in length, in comparison with other scopes. As regards any fogging, I don't think Leica offer a 30 year warranty with scopes, so buyer beware!
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Old Wednesday 28th January 2004, 17:05   #5
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It's one of the longest scopes around, I think - the Nikon ED82, Zeiss 85T* and Swaro 65 are all about 33cm, the Swaro 80 is 35cm and the Leica is 41cm.
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Old Wednesday 28th January 2004, 19:25   #6
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Leif,

I believe Ace Optics are offering this scope package as a special currently for £799 - got to be a better bet than paying £650 ono!

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Old Wednesday 28th January 2004, 19:38   #7
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Best shop price seems to be ~£950 for 77mm APO + 32xw + SOC. (Got the eyepiece focal length wrong.) The seller is asking £650 ovno, which is high going by your comments. Thanks. Other estimates still welcome!
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I doubt very much if you would get an Apo, 32xwide and a SOC for £450.....unless you were trading it in at Infocus! £650 sounds like a fair price to me. Go and see it, would be my advice.
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Leif,

Just checked Ace's web site: Leica 77 APO angled plus 32w plus Leica Soc is £914, or £838.50 for their own SOC.

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Old Wednesday 28th January 2004, 21:03   #10
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I doubt very much if you would get an Apo, 32xwide and a SOC for £450.....unless you were trading it in at Infocus! £650 sounds like a fair price to me. Go and see it, would be my advice.
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But a local shop sold it for less than that with a zoom!
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Old Wednesday 28th January 2004, 21:07   #11
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If it was utterly mint, I would offer £550-00. The p/ex price would be ~£450.00, I reckon.

One went with zoom on eBay for £600-00 at the end of Jan - but that is a hassle for many people.
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Is that a 'local' shop, for 'local' people?!!!

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I couldn't remember its name - that's why I called it that! It was Youngs, Belvoir Street, Leicester.
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If its only a year old then i think £600 would be a fair price
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If its only a year old then i think £600 would be a fair price
Thanks for the comments. I tend to think that £600 is not unreasonable. Certainly he would not get anything like that in part exchange. Oh well, looks like a short trip to examine said item is in order.
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I would still try an offer of £550-00, Leif, as the new price seems to be falling, possibly because a new model is around the corner... and, as hs been suggested, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Ba-boom!
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Old Sunday 1st February 2004, 20:17   #17
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I would still try an offer of £550-00, Leif, as the new price seems to be falling, possibly because a new model is around the corner... and, as hs been suggested, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Ba-boom!
I'll see how it looks. I am concerned that he cleaned the optics by breathing on them and wiping with a 'clean' cloth. If there is any evidence of marking on the coatings then I'll walk. I'll never understand how someone can buy top grade optics and not learn to clean them properly. (But then again manufacturers supply those horrid cleaning cloths. Enough ranting!)

So I'm not the only one to think that Leica are bringing out a new model. Of course, Ace Cameras might just have bought a large batch at a good price. Maybe someone went bust?

I saw a Leica 62mm in use at the weekend: it looked rather dinky, almost comical. I also peeked through a Swaro HD 80 with 20-60 eyepiece set at 40. I was surprised at how poor the image was when viewing a Peregrine perched in a tree. Maybe this was because of the wind and the rain outside the hide?
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Old Sunday 1st February 2004, 21:55   #18
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I'm sure that was the reason. Leif!

Now - how do you clean that glassware? I use BP isopropanol and cotton wool when it's bad - or breath and a microfibre Pentax cloth. Oh no! Don't tell me I'm doing it wrong!!
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I'm sure that was the reason. Leif!

Now - how do you clean that glassware? I use BP isopropanol and cotton wool when its bad - or breath and a microfibre Pentax cloth Oh no! Don't tell me I'm doing it wrong!!
Steve: I don't know what is right and what is wrong. All I know is that I am neurotic about looking after optics, and only ever clean them using special fluid (such as isopropyl alcohol) and sterile cotton wool stored in a dust tight bag. I think I caught this neurosis from my father who was trained as an optical engineer in a precision optics company - back when the UK had such a thing. (You might have heard of the company - Taylor Hobson - as they were/are based in Leicester.) My worry would be that a re-useable cloth would pick up microscopic grit which would scour the lens coatings. Of course I might be too careful, but I find cotton wool and lens fluid only takes a few minutes twice a year.

Incidentally there was a test in Amateur Photographer by a very interesting old chap - since deceased - who tested an old Leica lens. He found that repeated cleaning of the lens since new had re-figured the front optical surface, leading to a loss of sharpness!

BTW Would you buy a scope from someone who does not have the receipt or any kind of proof of purchase? Also, any ideas on how to check scope optics beyond looking through them to see if the image is sharp pretty much edge to edge? (I am thinking about ways to check lack of collimation.)

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Also, any ideas on how to check scope optics beyond looking through them to see if the image is sharp pretty much edge to edge? (I am thinking about ways to check lack of collimation.)
You can use ...erm... chromatic aberration I guess you would have done this instinctively. Use an eyepiece which most probably shows some color fringe at the very edges of field-of-view (eg. a wide angle). Point the scope to a bright object (a lamp, moon, star...) or anything with very high contrast (flagpole against bright sky) and "scan" that object with the edges of fov. If there is something wrong with collimation, CA is not symmetrical - it may vanish on another edge and become stronger on another, or even worse - it may change colour (purple<->yellow).
BUT REMEMBER THAT THE EFFECT IS MIRRORED around the center! If you watch THE SAME house corner against sky, it may be purple on the left and yellowish on the right - THIS IS OK!

If you find a perfect apochromat (hopefully), I think collimation is OK if you don't see any CA. The lack of collimation in an APO very probably causes asymmetrical CA.

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I'm as neurotic and am now feeling some relief that I might be doing it right (I take great care over the cloth) - IPA is the only thing I know (or methanol / ethanol) that really does "do the job" - I think Pentax recommend it.

I was wondering about the receipt for the Leica scope. It's very odd indeed that someone would lose their receipt for something that cost >£1000, don't you think? Even if they have, they could easily get a relacement from where they bought the scope and this would be proof of purchase required for Leica's warranty. With the receipt in your mit you also would be able to have the remainder of the warranty - which I think you really should have if the scope is really so knew and a relatively unknown quantity; in fact, I can't think of a single reason why this should not be a part of the deal.

About the quality, I'd trust my eyes (especially eyes like yours!) after a good test if I had the Leica warranty behind me just in case.

If the seller won't produce a receipt or tell you where it was from, well - I'd start to think that its provenance was a touch dubious (which means it sure ain't worth £5-600!!).
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If the seller won't produce a receipt or tell you where it was from, well - I'd start to think that its provenance was a touch dubious (which means it sure ain't worth £5-600!!).
Steve: Yes that was exactly my feeling. Who in their right mind spends that sort of money and then loses the proof of purchase. I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one with doubts. I really think I would rather spend a few hundred more than risk a stolen item, or alternatively one that is perhaps 5 or more years old.
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I'm as neurotic and am now feeling some relief that I might be doing it right (I take great care over the cloth) - IPA is the only thing I know (or methanol / ethanol) that really does "do the job" - I think Pentax recommend it.

I was wondering about the receipt for the Leica scope. It's very odd indeed that someone would lose their receipt for something that cost >£1000, don't you think? Even if they have, they could easily get a relacement from where they bought the scope and this would be proof of purchase required for Leica's warranty. With the receipt in your mit you also would be able to have the remainder of the warranty - which I think you really should have if the scope is really so knew and a relatively unknown quantity; in fact, I can't think of a single reason why this should not be a part of the deal.

About the quality, I'd trust my eyes (especially eyes like yours!) after a good test if I had the Leica warranty behind me just in case.

If the seller won't produce a receipt or tell you where it was from, well - I'd start to think that its provenance was a touch dubious (which means it sure ain't worth £5-600!!).
Steve,

I'm vindicated at last.....I doubted this scope in the 2nd post!!!

My leica scope is secondhand....and like my bins, I still have the receipts.

As for cleaning the eyepiece lens' I use a cloth provided by FocusOptics....
I use lots of water and the cloth to clean the objective(s)....As you, I'm becoming paranoid..Am I doing this correctly?!!!

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You can use ...erm... chromatic aberration I guess you would have done this instinctively.
Ilkka: Thanks for the very useful information. Yes I would have looked for CA, amongst other things, but I never realised it could be used to diagnose lack of collimation. (In binoculars a lack of depth of field is one symptom, but the presence of two optical assemblies gives something to compare against.)
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As for cleaning the eyepiece lens' I use a cloth provided by FocusOptics....
I use lots of water and the cloth to clean the objective(s)....As you, I'm becoming paranoid..Am I doing this correctly?!!!

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Dave: The thing to watch when cleaning optics is fine grit. This will scratch the surface of the optics, and over time will lead to a loss of image contrast. The problem is that even grit that is invisible to the naked eye is enough to do damage. This means that simply washing a cloth is not sufficient to prepare it for cleaning optics. Bear in mind that the coatings on optics tend to be a few molecular layers thick. Hence it is advisable to use sterile lens cleaning tissues that are thrown away after one or two WIPES. Sterile cotton wool is also good. It also pays not to apply pressure when cleaning, but wet the pad, and pull it across the surface. A bit neurotic perhaps, but IMO worth it. Cheap and easy too!

However, Leica have a hard coating on the external surfaces of their scopes optics - on the objective and presumably the eyepiece. So it might be okay to use a cloth on your scope. You could ask Leica?

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