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Old Wednesday 25th March 2020, 22:09   #726
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Point taken (though you misattributed many of those quotations somehow). I've just deleted the bit of mine that seemed to invite further argument. Thanks.
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Old Wednesday 25th March 2020, 22:50   #727
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actually you don’t Dan, you could read a book or watch TV - i

Can’t believe how I got sucked in like that tho’ - note to self ignore,ignore ignore Ive actually tried to delete my previous posts but I can’t - I agree very boring for everyone else (for me too!)
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Old Wednesday 25th March 2020, 23:03   #728
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Ive actually tried to delete my previous posts but I can’t
The 'delete' button remains viable for about a day or so; after that, it dies. So somewhat less persistent than Coronavirus can be on surfaces
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Old Wednesday 25th March 2020, 23:07   #729
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Some comments that followed were related to the possible advantage to birds, in the event that much of the aristocracy died out as they are the ones doing all the shooting which in turn, leads to persecution of raptors on large estates.

Why target my post, there are plenty on here that have nothing to do with birds?
I was not trying to target your post. I was reminding everyone not to post about people.
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Old Wednesday 25th March 2020, 23:09   #730
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The 'delete' button remains viable for about a day or so; after that, it dies. So somewhat less persistent than Coronavirus can be on surfaces
Lol - Thanks Nutcracker - I didn’t think they were that old - how long have I been here - seems some arguments are more persistent than they deserve to be too
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Old Wednesday 25th March 2020, 23:29   #731
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actually you don’t Dan, you could read a book or watch TV -
Soz, was going to double quote as well, but too much hassle

This can be more entertaining though ... although just been watching Mock the Week so perhaps not ...

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This can be more entertaining though ... although just been watching Mock the Week so perhaps not ...
I dunno, you may have something there Dan
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Old Wednesday 25th March 2020, 23:47   #733
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Best isolation for vulnerable people would be ...ironically - on a cruise ship! Pre-tested staff, doctors and patients, keep them safe.
Was thinking holiday parks perhaps myself for some ... some nice static caravan parks on the coast that aren't going to get many visitors otherwise ... potentially good for birding too ...
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No, though I do pass Tannadice & Dens on the first leg of my walk in to work. The ones I stand a chance of seeing birds on (Oystercatchers, gulls and crows so far) are in a public park.
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To bring the thread back to the topic of ‘the impact on birding’, there’s a (much more?) sensible discussion echoing the points I was trying to make in my recent posts regarding car use/birding/restrictions here; https://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=387832

Simply put - at least in the UK, is that using a car to ‘exercise’, ‘walk’ the dog, or drive to a ‘lonely place’ to do some birding will be regarded as a ‘non-essential’ journeys - it doesn’t matter how much certain individuals ‘get angry’ and frustrated about the situation- it just is. The emergency powers recently introduced means police are already ‘enforcing’ these restrictions and people wiil be moved on, fined or even arrested for non-compliance.
(I know it’s tuff so but don’t shoot the messenger .)

Sky News
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North Yorkshire police are bringing in measures to stop people going outdoors

The force will be using checkpoints in the region to ask drivers if their journey is essential.

Assistant Chief Constable Mike Walker, said: "The new and significant restrictions announced by the Prime Minister on Monday evening spell out very clearly what each and every one of us must do to save lives. The message is clear and the warning stark. Stay at home, saves lives...

"You may never be in such a position again where your simple actions will lead directly to saving lives."

The force also said the checkpoints would be random and unannounced.”


On a more worrying note - if you typically do your patch birdwatching while exercising the dogs off the lead, a vet has a sombre warning - a bit hyperbolic but not without a bit of hard truth
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...plies-11963795
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Old Thursday 26th March 2020, 11:17   #736
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yes, i've noticed on my daily dog walk, an increase in dog walkers. Many give the impression they have never taken the dog out before, or might be doing a favour for elderly relatives who own dogs etc.

It comes down to the same thing, trying to reduce risk. I don't want to have to take the dog to the vets after a fight, or need hospital treatment for a dog bite right now. Give everyone and everything a wide berth. Great if you are an introvert!
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I thought that it has already killed a few dogs? cats? in S Korea who have contracted the virus?? If dogs can catch/spread it ...

If so then dogwalking definitely shouldn't be an activity people should be engaging in irresponsibly (unless it's just going to eliminate dog owners only from the population as a whole perhaps?)
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Old Thursday 26th March 2020, 11:48   #738
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I thought that it has already killed a few dogs? cats? in S Korea who have contracted the virus?? If dogs can catch/spread it ...

If so then dogwalking definitely shouldn't be an activity people should be engaging in irresponsibly (unless it's just going to eliminate dog owners only from the population as a whole perhaps?)
Irresponsible dog owners and (without naming names of course ) raptor-shooting aristocrats checking themselves out of the gene pool. This is looking like a win-win situation for bird conservation.
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Old Thursday 26th March 2020, 14:52   #741
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I think this is the same incident that Andrew posted a Twitter link to upthread (I hope so!)

If any of those birders are members/viewers of BF - consider this - you are publicly shamed - you know how the general public are vis a vis ‘birders’, we will all be tarred with the same brush - This makes us all look bad - I don’t want to have to defend my hobby/work to my ‘non-twitching’ and ‘non-birding’ friends/family/local media who already see ‘birdwatchers’ as an homogeneous group of people who all approach the hobby in the same way.

(and you look like idiots for twitching a Rouzel too)
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This story has been posted on a couple of threads now, and yes totally unacceptable.

But it is rather odd - why on earth would that many people from around the country congregate on what is not even a rare bird? Real story (ie not fake news)? Someone watching a bird and passersby stopped too? A regular spot and the individuals concerned hadn't realised a) they weren't meant to be doing it b) it would be pointless as yearlisting was going to be off anyway? An organised group trip? Random or Organised photographers? Or a real story and proper birders/togs (all with a death wish) all congregating on one spot as their 'daily exercise' because they had nowhere else to go?
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Perhaps the Mods could combine this thread with the ‘remember thread’ its becoming difficult to follow these different poster inputs (I assume this is still the ‘impact on birding’?!)

It does seem really strange for the reasons pointed out above - maybe they were part of a group who knew each other and were already having a meet up in the area - either way ...
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It might be hard for people to take the absolute need for noone to meet anyone else in the outdoors so dead seriously while seeing pictures of crowded underground in London on the news.... In all the lockdowns around the world, people outdoors are being targeted way ahead of their actual rank in the hierarchy of risk for spread, because it doesn't cost almost any money to disperse them, as opposed to all of the is-it-really-that-essential industry that still keeps running and bringing people together. I know it makes some sense simply because those people are visible and going after them sends a message to everyone and reinforces the (correct) idea of getting away from each other, but I think the demonization of those few is overdone.

The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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Perhaps the Mods could combine this thread with the ‘remember thread’ its becoming difficult to follow these different poster inputs (I assume this is still the ‘impact on birding’?!)

It does seem really strange for the reasons pointed out above - maybe they were part of a group who knew each other and were already having a meet up in the area - either way ...
True. Think might be too much work on the poor overtaxed mods though.

It does kinda represent impact on birding as the reasoning that the selfish few can spoil it for the rest, impacts perception of birders, and an example of what not to be doing ... ?

Thread hop?
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...I think the demonization of those few is overdone.

The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Totally see your point but if we had a ‘transport thread’, I suspect the targeted group will be those using the underground for non-essential travel. The difficulty is, although ‘birding’ and other outdoor activities, do come low down in the hierarchy, I really don’t see how, as a matter of effective governance, you could draw up such activity-specific restrictions - do you have none for outdoors or apply them to everyone?

Yes of course people will look to ‘police’ others from a position of resentment if they find others flouting those same restrictions that are curtailing their own activities.
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True. Think might be too much work on the poor overtaxed mods though.

It does kinda represent impact on birding as the reasoning that the selfish few can spoil it for the rest, impacts perception of birders, and an example of what not to be doing ... ?

Thread hop?
I wouldn't worry about perception of birders. After the park and Snowdon events of the weekend, no single group can claim not to be living in a glass house. In any case, nobody will remember anything at all beyond the resumption of professional football and soaps.

As for the thread hopping, I find it mentally refreshing, and its interesting to see who does it, contributing relevantly in different threads.

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I would imagine dumb Gen-z'ers here and elsewhere would be the groups that people are going to remember as flagrantly disregarding Covid news. Birders are relatively well behaved compared to some of the fratbros and such crowding beaches

Here in Wisconsin we also have a no essential travel, but exercise is listed as an excuse and all state and county parks are open and free of charge right now. So I would imagine driving to a place and walking around in this state is fine, but driving around and stopping to scan for ducks in flooded fields is probably not. Which of course is problematic, given that it's waterfowl migration, and there isn't much birding on actual trails right now comparatively speaking.
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I wouldn't worry about perception of birders. After the park and Snowdon events of the weekend, no single group can claim not to be living in a glass house. In any case, nobody will remember anything at all beyond the resumption of professional football and soaps.
It is a fairly big argument going on in certain circles, and an easy target perhaps ... but yes.

If there's anyone left at the end of it all (we can hope )

Now I've got to work out which thread I last posted on about dogs and coronavirus ...
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