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Old Thursday 8th November 2018, 20:47   #1
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Brown/ White Magpie

There has been a brown/white magpie around the house and want to post a picture of it for the people that might be interested.
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Old Thursday 8th November 2018, 21:04   #2
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I saw a brown and white Magpie in my home town in Wolverhampton last year.
Not sure what causes this colouration, we see them all over the place in England but that’s the only one I have ever seen that was like that.
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Old Thursday 8th November 2018, 21:22   #3
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Fine looking thing. Where I used to work in Rochdale there was a crow that was pearl grey. It was stunning.
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Nice example of leucism

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Is this not dilution rather than leucism?
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Remember seeing one in the West Midlands that was brown but with the white parts replaced by pink. Whether the latter was staining it it had been eating flamingoes I don’t know, but a pretty striking bird.
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Remember seeing one in the West Midlands that was brown but with the white parts replaced by pink. Whether the latter was staining it it had been eating flamingoes I don’t know, but a pretty striking bird.
Probably both adult and juvenile Rose-coloured Starlings.
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Is this not dilution rather than leucism?
It's what always used to be called leucism, before the "politically correct" gang banned the term 'partial albino' and started using leucism for that instead
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It's what always used to be called leucism, before the "politically correct" gang banned the term 'partial albino' and started using leucism for that instead
This is nothing to do with "political correctness" but the correct application of the appropriate name to two different conditions
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It's what always used to be called leucism, before the "politically correct" gang banned the term 'partial albino' and started using leucism for that instead
Just misread the middle two words in your sentence. I think I'm blaming it on the beer.
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Just misread the middle two words in your sentence. I think I'm blaming it on the beer.
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It's what always used to be called leucism, before the "politically correct" gang banned the term 'partial albino' and started using leucism for that instead
As far as I know it's still called leucism. If it's called something else now it's through better understanding. "Partial albino" was always an oxymoron, and completely irrelevant if something wasn't pure white with pink bare parts etc?

From what I recall, loads of folk back in the early 90s used to call every black backed LBBG "fuscus", but it doesn't make it right
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This is nothing to do with "political correctness" but the correct application of the appropriate name to two different conditions
That's why I put it in tag marks. Perhaps better called 'ivory tower scientists'?


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"Partial albino" was always an oxymoron, and completely irrelevant if something wasn't pure white with pink bare parts etc?
Not really - it was what it said it was, pure white in parts. As opposed to leucism, which was pale "washed-out" colours but the full normal pattern, no white patches. There are two different conditions there, which need to be distinguished, but aren't if they're both called 'leucistic'.
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Not really - it was what it said it was, pure white in parts. As opposed to leucism, which was pale "washed-out" colours but the full normal pattern, no white patches. There are two different conditions there, which need to be distinguished, but aren't if they're both called 'leucistic'.
One problem is that albino is white with pink bare parts, whereas if it is white but bare parts still contain pigment it is actually leucistic; Albino is only used for complete lack of pigmentation.

So if there are white patches, there is no way of specifiying that those patches are 'albinistic' or 'leucistic' - a case for 'partial albino' cannot be proven.

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Partially leucistic is another odd one you see used wrongly sometimes. Leucistic means 'partially lacking colour', so to say something is 'partially partially lacking colour' becomes wrong for anything other than patchy loss of colour, where some parts are totally normal?

So I guess a Blackbird lacking pigmentation in patches could thus be described as 'partially leucistic'? But still a bit messy.
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Not really - it was what it said it was, pure white in parts. As opposed to leucism, which was pale "washed-out" colours but the full normal pattern, no white patches. There are two different conditions there, which need to be distinguished, but aren't if they're both called 'leucistic'.
Albino never meant "pure white in parts". I don't think there was a walk in life it was as mis-used as in birding once upon a time! Doesn't exactly mean PC was taking over, just that folk who knew what it meant explained that lots of us were mis-using the term
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Albino never meant "pure white in parts".
Albino meant "pure white", and partial albino meant "pure white in parts" . . . simple!
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Albino meant "pure white", and partial albino meant "pure white in parts" . . . simple!
If you insist When I was in juvenile plumage myself I did record a "part melanistic, part allbino House Sparrow". I still wonder to this day whether it was actually a Junco! Probs more likely a mule Canary though
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