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Nutcracker
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Not sure what, but doesn't look like Icterine to me.
RafaelMatias
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There are 2 different birds there (and species, apparently). Not a great comment, I know, but I have no time for more right now.
Alexander Stöhr
Well-known member
Do both pictures show the same bird? I agree, that the first picture shows a "pitfal warbler picture", that gives the impression of an Icterine Warbler. But on second look, its mainly the colours (and the large eye) and on the third look it seems a nice example, how colours are affected by reflection of the sorrounding vegetation.
Second picture shows typical pale cinamonorange-buff colouration of a first winter Marsh Warbler, typical for the warmest plumaged first winter birds of this species. The coldest first winter reed warblers without roufus tones, are darker and less orangey than these birds. Also still the rump is often warmer than the back in these birds while its (just discernable) the other way round in those warm first winter Marsh.
Also bill and head pattern is spot on for first winter Marsh Warbler.
I would also say, that if the bird was a Reed Warbler there wouldnt be confusion about the birds identity, see what I mean?
EDIT: Just read the answer of Rafael, and I think hes right with the two species theory, the second one is a Marsh Warbler in my opinion.
Second picture shows typical pale cinamonorange-buff colouration of a first winter Marsh Warbler, typical for the warmest plumaged first winter birds of this species. The coldest first winter reed warblers without roufus tones, are darker and less orangey than these birds. Also still the rump is often warmer than the back in these birds while its (just discernable) the other way round in those warm first winter Marsh.
Also bill and head pattern is spot on for first winter Marsh Warbler.
I would also say, that if the bird was a Reed Warbler there wouldnt be confusion about the birds identity, see what I mean?
EDIT: Just read the answer of Rafael, and I think hes right with the two species theory, the second one is a Marsh Warbler in my opinion.
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Simon Wates
Well-known member
Long under-tail coverts support an acro too.
oguenaydin
Well-known member
I thing there same Birds. 4 minutes between two photos.. You may be right. Maybe two different birds.
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CARERY
Well-known member
For sure two different birds. Agree with Marsh Warbler for the second. The first can't be an Icterine - the leg colour is just wrong (even given the strange lighting) and the primary projection too short etc. But what is it? The bill seems rather strong... Eastern Olivaceous is the best I can think of
Possible.
