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2 Birds / Bagan / Myanmar (1 Viewer)
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Nutcracker
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Both stonechats; male and female respectively. Not sure whether they'll be Siberian Stonechat Saxicola maurus, or Stejneger's Stonechat Saxicola stejnegeri, in Myanmar.
Jeff Hopkins
Just another...observer
Just a thought. White-tailed Stonechats are a specialty of the islands in the Ayeyarwaddy near Bagan. I'm certainly not skilled to separate them, but it might help to be more specific about where near Bagan they were, especially since the habitat looks right for white-tailed.
And according to Clements, Stejneger's is a winter visitor to Myanmar. If the record is from outside the winter months, it could narrow it down (although most people visit Bagan in the winter).
And according to Clements, Stejneger's is a winter visitor to Myanmar. If the record is from outside the winter months, it could narrow it down (although most people visit Bagan in the winter).
James Eaton
Trent Valley Crew
Spot-on, Jeff. White-tailed Stonechats.
Classic habitat and check out those tail fringes.
James
Classic habitat and check out those tail fringes.
James
Jose605
Well-known member
Thank you Jeff and James for the input.
I thought of the possibility of them being White-tailed too. They all look so much alike. I was there end of November last year. The photos were taken around the Irrawaddy river and grasslands areas.
I think the 3 above mentioned stonechats are common in the area, so it's a bit hard to tell..
Thanks again!
I thought of the possibility of them being White-tailed too. They all look so much alike. I was there end of November last year. The photos were taken around the Irrawaddy river and grasslands areas.
I think the 3 above mentioned stonechats are common in the area, so it's a bit hard to tell..
Thanks again!
James Eaton
Trent Valley Crew
Stejneger's Stonechat is a rare bird along the edges of the Ayeyarwady in Myanmar - I've birded along there many times and yet to encounter one, whereas White-tailed is a common inhabitant of the tiniest of natural grassland patches along much of the Ayeyarwady in central Myanmar. Stejneger's prefer the drier, acacia-dominated areas away from the river, around the Bagan pagoda complex for example.
James
James
From what James has said about habitat preference, the two images in the 1st post must show White-tailed too, a species I hadn't considered. I stand corrected.
Siberian would not occur here, unless you include stejnegeri in maurus.
johnallcock
Well-known member
What are the ranges of the different taxa in this region? Myanmar seems to be around the western limit of stejnegeri and the eastern limit of maurus, and przewalskii also present. How well defined is the geographic separation of these different taxa and do they overlap at all?
(This is not a disagreement with the ID of the posted birds, just a general question)
Not sure about the range limits of maurus and stejnegeri. I found one claimed sighting of stejnegeri from Bhutan on eBird, but I'm not sure if it's correctly identified.
https://ebird.org/media/catalog?tax...gionCode=BT&q=Siberian Stonechat (Stejneger's)
Unfortunately it's hard to check the status of maurus sensu stricto in Indochina as images probably show stejnegeri.
Re przewalskii, this nice web article includes some informative images from Thailand and also mentions that it is present in NE Myanmar. I imagine it's a short-distance altitudinal migrant?
https://ayuwat.wordpress.com/2014/02/12/siberian-stonechats-in-thailand/
I found 4 images from Myanmar, 2 from the Shan Hills, so presumably correctly identified, but I'm not sure about the Mandalay birds.
https://ebird.org/media/catalog?tax... (Przevalski's) - Saxicola maurus przewalskii
Jeff Hopkins
Just another...observer
According to Clements, przewalskii is the ssp. found in Myanmar.
James Eaton
Trent Valley Crew
przewalskii breeds in Myanmar - in the mountains in the north, though stejnergeri winters in the country (for example, around Bagan, Yangon, Shan state and Southern Myanmar too).
James
Jeff Hopkins
Just another...observer
Thanks for the clarification, James.
JH
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