...comments about the versatility your Leica 8x32 Trinovid BA has because of its old type baffling. I guess the reason for its absence in the Ultravids was in the interest of saving weight. It reminds us that an "improvement" in one area of a binocular can often result in different problems in the new version...
For the sake of the record, I feel compelled to point out that this is speculative rumor.
I don't think any evidence exists to suggest that baffling in the Ultravid (and its later iterations) is inferior to that of the earlier Ultra Trinovid BA or the BN. I certainly haven't found that to be the case. In my opinion, the Ultravid HD+ offers the same wonderful optics as the BA/BN, but with better lens and prism coatings, perhaps slightly lower CA, and an impressively compact body design that I find fits my hands differently but as well as the BA/BN. When it comes to optical performance, I think there is everything to gain and nothing to lose (except $$) from opting for the Ultravid models over their predecessors.
--AP
In some ways comparing an 8x32 BN to a current Asian bin is a little like comparing an air cooled 911 Porsche to a current Honda ............................................................................
We've suffered while reading how the latest thing just "blows away" the last greatest thing and that we shouldn't trust our own lying eyes. .............
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In some ways comparing an 8x32 BN to a current Asian bin is a little like comparing an air cooled 911 Porsche to a current Honda or Subaru. On paper, these cars have better numbers and will probably beat the Porsche on the racetrack.
But which is the more gratifying experience? And, that Porsche can still get with the program!
Some things have a tangible / intrinsic feeling of quality and design. Some are the flavor du jour.
In the time frame that a certain person on these forums has had dozens, if not hundreds, of binoculars and declared most of them the last word on optics, I've had Leica 8x32 BNs and have been perfectly content.
We've suffered while reading how the latest thing just "blows away" the last greatest thing and that we shouldn't trust our own lying eyes.
Discussions of ergonomics, focusing, eye relief issues, ease of view are often ignored or relegated to the back seat when brightness and flat field and field of view and a few others are brought up. Clearly, not everyone is as impressed by absolute brightness or flatness of field as others or require a birding bin to be everything at once. Some look down the middle, enjoy a near perfect, effortless view, and are happy.
It is also not a good idea to trust the people who write about comparing binoculars who use terms like "blows away" when they do. Your own "lying eyes" are more reliable.:smoke:
Bob
In some ways comparing an 8x32 BN to a current Asian bin is a little like comparing an air cooled 911 Porsche to a current Honda or Subaru. On paper, these cars have better numbers and will probably beat the Porsche on the racetrack.
But which is the more gratifying experience? And, that Porsche can still get with the program!
Some things have a tangible / intrinsic feeling of quality and design. Some are the flavor du jour.
In the time frame that a certain person on these forums has had dozens, if not hundreds, of binoculars and declared most of them the last word on optics, I've had Leica 8x32 BNs and have been perfectly content.
We've suffered while reading how the latest thing just "blows away" the last greatest thing and that we shouldn't trust our own lying eyes.
Discussions of ergonomics, focusing, eye relief issues, ease of view are often ignored or relegated to the back seat when brightness and flat field and field of view and a few others are brought up. Clearly, not everyone is as impressed by absolute brightness or flatness of field as others or require a birding bin to be everything at once. Some look down the middle, enjoy a near perfect, effortless view, and are happy.
GREAT post Kevin! :t:
But please, PLEASE don't compare a 911 to a Honda/Subaru! ||` Not REALLY sure it's legal to use them in the same sentence..
You must not know much about Honda. They don't just make family cars. I imagine the new Honda/Acura NSX would give most Porsche's a run for their money.GREAT post Kevin! :t:
But please, PLEASE don't compare a 911 to a Honda/Subaru! ||` Not REALLY sure it's legal to use them in the same sentence..
April 10th, post #17. The original poster responds as follows and since then has been silent.Hi folks,
I'm looking for a good binocular for birding and butterfly watching on walks...(I'm 5ft tall and have correspondingly small hands). l'm currently looking at the Trinovid bn 8x32....
Is there anything else I should look at? I think I'm going to have to stear away from brand new, cost wise, for a better quality binocular too but I'm not too sure for the improvements that it's worth buying new.
Your thoughts on this ladies and gents would be gratefully recieved. :t:
Hey! Thanks for all your thoughts and experiences, good and not so good.
The BN s still seem to be worth trying if I can find a pair. Are they heavier than the HD? I'm almost obsessed with weight!
Thanks
Wrenie
From there the thread seems to be about the latter binocular except for this post:Hello,
I just saw this thread after post elsewhere...
I'm new here and know nothing about birds! I found this forum and thread while searching the internet for information on Leica Trinovid 8x32 BN binoculars...
Cheers!
May be this poster is aware that the original poster is still looking for a binocular as first described. If so:For someone who is 5ft with small hands I caution you to measure your IPD or try them in person before ordering the 8x32 Trinovid. The 58mm minimum IPD on this model excludes many potential owners. They are too wide for my face and I am of otherwise average proportions.
April 8th, post #1:
April 10th, post #17. The original poster responds as follows and since then has been silent.
April 19th, post #29 is the last in that discussion.
Aug. 10th, post #30:
From there the thread seems to be about the latter binocular except for this post:
Aug. 13th, post #80:
May be this poster is aware that the original poster is still looking for a binocular as first described. If so:
The new Zeiss Victory Pocket 8x25 might suit you. It is widely praised for its optical quality and ease of use, is much lighter than any 8x32 or even 8x30, and folds down to a very small IPD. Only in very low light situations will it be not as good as the best of those. The currently stated price for it in the UK on the internet starts from GBP 549.
You must not know much about Honda. They don't just make family cars. I imagine the new Honda/Acura NSX would give most Porsche's a run for their money.
https://nsx.acura.com/explore/nsx
https://hpd.honda.com/
This is a weird thread that has definitely drifted from the quality of the binoculars to their place as a status symbol or whatnot. Anyone would probably be fine/pleased using the BNs, but to say they are a strong competitor to new options at the same price point is, in my opinion, farcical. They are distinctly less bright, exhibit more Chromatic Aberration, and have weaker color fidelity than many newer options at the same price point.
Vortex, Leupold, Meopta, and others that offer the newer options to which I refer are all established companies with lifetime warranties and well-regarded customer service.If the "newer option" binoculars hang around as long and are used as long as the old "status symbol" binoculars have been, they will have proved their worth.
If the "newer option" binoculars hang around as long and are used as long as the old "status symbol" binoculars have been, they will have proved their worth.