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Old Wednesday 13th October 2004, 16:15   #1
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ID needed - UK "tit"?

Hi - I'm new to this forum and I'm a very unknowledgable garden bird watcher, so please excuse my ignorance if this is a daft question.
I'm trying to identify a bird that has just visited my garden in north-east England. It was roughly the size of a blue tit, but had yellowish underparts and a brown back, with a small white bar on the wing which was visible when it was perched. Its most striking feature was a very bright yellow flash above each eye. It was very active, just like a blue tit, and there was a pair of them in some apple trees, along with a pair of blue tits. Because of this I initially thought it must be a juvenile blue tit, but my guide book doesn't mention anything about the yellow flashes above the eyes.
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Old Wednesday 13th October 2004, 16:17   #2
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Hells bells Peter! get photos!
Could they have been Yellow-browed Warblers?
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Old Wednesday 13th October 2004, 16:17   #3
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Hi - I'm new to this forum and I'm a very unknowledgable garden bird watcher, so please excuse my ignorance if this is a daft question.
I'm trying to identify a bird that has just visited my garden in north-east England. It was roughly the size of a blue tit, but had yellowish underparts and a brown back, with a small white bar on the wing which was visible when it was perched. Its most striking feature was a very bright yellow flash above each eye. It was very active, just like a blue tit, and there was a pair of them in some apple trees, along with a pair of blue tits. Because of this I initially thought it must be a juvenile blue tit, but my guide book doesn't mention anything about the yellow flashes above the eyes.
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Could be a goldcrest?

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Sounds like Goldcrest to me too. Anything like this? http://www.birdforum.net/pp_gallery/...cat/all/page/1
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Hi Pete,

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I think we need a photo to help us here with the id. Was the yellow flash just above the eye or on the crown of the head?

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Sounds like Goldcrest to me too. Anything like this? http://www.birdforum.net/pp_gallery/...cat/all/page/1

I would never describe Goldcrests as having a yellow flash above each eye, nor being the size of Blue Tits. maybe CJW is nearer the mark with Yellow-browed Warblers.

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Old Wednesday 13th October 2004, 16:32   #7
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Hi all - thanks for the quick replies and the welcome!
It did indeed look like a goldcrest but I was under the impression that they are smaller than blue tits. The birds I saw were about the same size as blue tits (I saw them in the same tree at the same time so got a good opportunity to compare them). Might be a goldcrest with a weight problem! But that's definitely what the birds looked like anyway. If they come back I'll grab a camera.
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Old Wednesday 13th October 2004, 20:04   #8
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Hi Peter,

Maybe you should take a look also to the Yellow-browed Warbler as mention on previous post. As mention Goldcrest are smaller than a Blue Tit so maybe it is out of scope and because of the flash above the eyes this warbler fit better with the description.

If you want to take a look into a Yellow-browed Warbler here is the link
http://www.birdforum.net/pp_gallery/...cat/all/page/1

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Great photo, but blimey, where did it get that yellow crown? Or is it the light? Here's a more typical one:
http://www.birdforum.net/pp_gallery/...cat/all/page/1
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Old Wednesday 13th October 2004, 20:30   #10
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Hello again. Thanks again for all the input.
The bright yellow cap of the Goldcrest is the closest colour to that of the yellow flashes on the birds I saw. I'll have to assume that I've seen a particularly large Goldcrest next to a rather small Blue Tit, making them look roughly the same size.
If the pair of birds return to my garden I'll endevour to get a decent photo.
Thanks again for your comments
I'll look forward to learning a lot more reading all the other posts here!!
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