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Old Sunday 22nd April 2018, 09:52   #26
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This is scotland and they are an authorized Swarovski dealership. The communications I've had with them leads me to think they know binoculars fairly well. Communication is not hampered by a language barrier. They likely know much more than I do. Well let's hope so. What else would you ask about assuming that they know a lot about their products.

Thanks, Today is my birthday so I was thinking about buying myself a swaro porro, just because that rhymes.
Oh, man, do I feel bad that I missed the pizza party!

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Thanks, the pizza was overcooked but the ice cream rocked and we sat there with the Zeiss Victory 8 and 10x and my EII 8 and 10x and watched a crow sit on a limb 30 ft way on my friends deck and preen and eyeball that pizza. It was really fun because at the table you could rest your elbows and get perfectly steady views of that crow. It honestly was about the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in a binocular. The light was perfect and the detail at that distance in the 10x Zeiss really and finally convinced me that the alpha binoculars are worth the investment. If you got it then spend it.
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Old Sunday 22nd April 2018, 12:18   #28
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Good point...decisions, decisions...

Well I got back with bushwear and asked them to verify the warranty issues based on what I'd been told here and and they didn't really want to answer. They said they were aware of no problems with the many they had sold, even though there was not one review of the item on Amazon and if I didn't trust them go elsewhere. I thought that was an odd and defensive response to a polite inquiry so I've decided that this whole thing is way to much hassle and it's no longer fun and so not worth it. I'm glad to be done with it. I've some great binoculars in the Nikon's and I'm going to be content.
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Well I got back with bushwear and asked them to verify the warranty issues based on what I'd been told here and and they didn't really want to answer. They said they were aware of no problems with the many they had sold, even though there was not one review of the item on Amazon and if I didn't trust them go elsewhere. I thought that was an odd and defensive response to a polite inquiry so I've decided that this whole thing is way to much hassle and it's no longer fun and so not worth it. I'm glad to be done with it. I've some great binoculars in the Nikon's and I'm going to be content.
They basically said that they didn't care whether they got your business or not. This wouldn't encourage me to give them any business at all.

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Yeah, what's up with that lol. At this point it doesn't matter to me. One day something else will catch my eye.
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............ the detail at that distance in the 10x Zeiss really and finally convinced me that the alpha binoculars are worth the investment. If you got it then spend it.
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Well, then, it's easy enough to contact SONA and find out: SWAROVSKI OPTIK N.A. Ltd. 2 Slater Road Cranston, RI 02920 /
[email protected]

The customer service number used to be 800-426-3089. It may still work.

Let us know what you find out, please. Better safe than sorry.

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I'm no longer interested in the Habicht but for those who are I contacted SONA and if you buy overseas it's no problem in getting repairs. You send it to their facility in the US and they ship them overseas for you. 6 to 10 weeks is the usual turnaround time.
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Retailers also don't want any unnecessary hassle, especially if they work on tight margins.

Some retailers pride themselves on service and go the extra mile.

I got out of retail very quickly even when margins were much higher than today.
Dealing with the public can be very stressful.

At least as a rep. dealing with experienced buyers one is on a level professional playing field.

Of course, I buy from retailers but I know both sides of the story.
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OK here's a subjective question for you all. Amazon sells the Nikon EDG 8x for $1999. They also sell the International version for $1550. The diff is you'd have to send the binocular to Japan if you needed warranty repairs and there is only a 2 year warranty as opposed to a much longer warranty in the US. What would you do?
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OK here's a subjective question for you all. Amazon sells the Nikon EDG 8x for $1999. They also sell the International version for $1550. The diff is you'd have to send the binocular to Japan if you needed warranty repairs and there is only a 2 year warranty as opposed to a much longer warranty in the US. What would you do?
US with longer warranty and local service (or locally handled overseas service, as the case may be), honestly.

I only buy overseas if it's the only option for whatever product I want; only if I'm very determined to have it; and only very, very rarely for expensive items. To date this has included:
  • two hard-to-get cameras because I wanted them new-in-box (20 years ago)
  • high-end shocks for my touring scooter because no one carrier them stateside (10 years ago)
  • performance parts for my little hot-rod scooter because there was zero market stateside and a huge market in the UK and Europe. (25+ years ago)

So...hasn't come-up recently. Mostly because I've gotten out of my incredibly niche hobbies.
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Adorama has a few 8X32 EDGs for $1996, that would be my option. The only glass I have ordered from Japan with good results were the EIIs 8 and 10X like you have since they stopped carrying them here in the US market. One could order the EII 8X30 anniversary edition, but for the steep asking price many ordered the EII from japan instead. Remember outside the manufacturers abilities, the porro can easily be repaired here in the US (for now anyway), but roofs, I plead ignorance on that.
Regarding service I am not sure of the difference between Japan and here in the US with respect to Nikon.
The EDG has been archived here in the US, I am not sure if they are still made for the European or Eastern markets.
Additionally Nikon has stopped servicing some older models, for instance if you had a Nikon SE that needed parts, besides eyecups, you are out of luck, I have the older HG/LX series, they don't even know the model anymore, so that is out.
Nikon has offered a lifetime warranty, but that means replacing your glass with another sometimes lower tier if they choose not to work/repair your older glass. How long will they service the EDG, who knows.
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That's good to know. I don't see that they have anything much better in their line up. I wonder why they would discontinue their best but maybe no one is buying. It's not like they are overpriced. In fact from the reviews I see they compete well with higher priced binoculars from the other major alpha brands.
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If you could view a Monarch HG 8X42 or 10X42, both are light and small for their formats, and provide IMO very nice views. Out of all my 8X42s they are the lightest.
Nikon did/does not market their premier glass like the other premium manufacturers, it certainly was not the quality or the price that the EDG likely did not sell well.
The 10X42 and 8X42 can compete with any others in the market today.

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Adorama has a few 8X32 EDGs for $1996, that would be my option. The only glass I have ordered from Japan with good results were the EIIs 8 and 10X like you have since they stopped carrying them here in the US market. One could order the EII 8X30 anniversary edition, but for the steep asking price many ordered the EII from japan instead. Remember outside the manufacturers abilities, the porro can easily be repaired here in the US (for now anyway), but roofs, I plead ignorance on that.
Regarding service I am not sure of the difference between Japan and here in the US with respect to Nikon.
The EDG has been archived here in the US, I am not sure if they are still made for the European or Eastern markets.
Additionally Nikon has stopped servicing some older models, for instance if you had a Nikon SE that needed parts, besides eyecups, you are out of luck, I have the older HG/LX series, they don't even know the model anymore, so that is out.
Nikon has offered a lifetime warranty, but that means replacing your glass with another sometimes lower tier if they choose not to work/repair your older glass. How long will they service the EDG, who knows.
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Well help me reason this out logically and considering what you've just said. If I were to buy the International version of the EDG I'd have a two year warranty and $450 in my pocket to pay for any repairs after that. Being a old guy lets say I have five more good binocular toting years. If my International EDG makes it through the 30 day return window and seems to be functioning tip top the odds are good that it's going to make it at least five years without repair. Now I've just profited $450. If I'm wrong I'll bet at worst case I'd break even. Tell me what's wrong with that reasoning?
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BC,

For your reasoning it sounds rational, also we both have had good stories regarding the EIIs from Japan. Just remember the EDG, shall we say, is a different animal than an EII. Make sure that if you buy one, get one from a very reputable seller from Japan, one who sells optics, not one who sells washing machines, watches, etc. (not that there is anything wrong with that) just making sure that specific questions you ask get answered. There are probably some folks in the camera portion of Birdforum who know reputable sellers in japan, perhaps a valuable resource.

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...watched a crow sit on a limb 30 ft way on my friends deck and preen and eyeball that pizza. It was really fun because at the table you could rest your elbows and get perfectly steady views of that crow. It honestly was about the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in a binocular. The light was perfect and the detail at that distance in the 10x Zeiss really and finally convinced me that the alpha binoculars are worth the investment. If you got it then spend it.
... and that in a nutshell is why alphas exist. Most folks are happy to get 90% or whatever of the performance of an alpha at 50% or less the cost, but that extra performance is there for those who can afford it, albeit you pay dearly for that last few percent. At one point I tried to avoid looking through binoculars I knew I couldn't afford for that reason. Once you have experienced just how good top optics can be, it can be hard to go back even that five to ten percent.
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Yes as our little college drinking club (the junior birdmen) used to chant "once you're in you can't get out"
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