Shameful complacency by the UK authorities. I'm sure there are political sensitivities around the sovereign base, but no excuse for a total failure to enforce the law.
It's all the fault of the EU. Er...
It's all the fault of the EU. Er...
It is not, but the EU could do a lot more if it so chose, putting more serious pressure on the relevant southern nations to abide by EU bird protection laws. Given however that the EU is unable to even force the likes of Hungary to abide by norms of usual humanity in the treatment of people, it is hardly a surprise they are unable to do so for birds.
But given this is British sovereign territory, no need to bring the EU into the discussion, Britain needs to get its act together.
Shameful complacency by the UK authorities. I'm sure there are political sensitivities around the sovereign base, but no excuse for a total failure to enforce the law.
Absolute cock. The training areas where the trapping goes on are "outside the wire" and the responsibility of the Service authorities for keeping their staff (including families and locally employed Cypriot natives) safe on bases that are involved in the fight against IS has to be concentrated on the area inside the wire.
Patrolling the training areas in order to catch bird trappers has to be very much a secondary activity: most of the patrolling is in fact directed to making sure the areas are safe to train in - again, given the possibility of IS activity.
You lot should be grateful they divert any effort to the conservation fight, not complaining that they don't do more.
Sorry, complete rubbish. The sovereign territories are policed by the Sovereign Base Areas Police, whose purpose is provide a civil policing service "to maintain law and order across all of the Sovereign Base Areas by the prevention and detection of crime, the apprehension of offenders and the operation of Her Majesty's Prison, Dhekelia."
Read the SBA Police Service's own statement of purpose - contribution to security is on the list, but notably after a number relating to general crime. They obviously consider their purpose to be rather different from your perception John.
OUR PURPOSE:
In providing a policing service is:
- To uphold the rule of Law
- To keep the Queen's Peace
- To protect life and property and to help and reassure people in need
- To prevent and detect crime
- To contribute to the security of the SBAs
- To operate a professional prison service
Yes indeed. And your point is? They don't have infinite resources and nothing I said contradicts their mission statement. They do undertake anti-poaching patrols in between their more important work (to MOD, which is why they are there at all.)
How many SBA police are there in total? How many are on duty at any one time? What are their irreducible minimum tasks? What is their workload outside of anti-poaching work? What is the spare capacity for surge? What do they see as their main risks and what intelligence do they have on them that you are unaware of? If you want one anti-poaching patrol out somewhere in the SBA training areas full time 24/7 (remembering that birds migrate and nets can be set overnight as well) that means, for men working a 35 hour week and having to work in pairs, without taking account of sickness, leave, training, meal breaks or anything else that can screw up a plan, ten men(9.6 actually) full time on anti-poaching. MOD hasn't got that kind of spare capacity in this country, let alone in what since the rise of IS has been a front-line forward base.
Leave criticism of the people doing all they can to those who have at least a glimmer of an idea what they are talking about. If you think MOD is under-funded and under-resourced, and that its mission should be wider than at present, write to your MP about it.
John
It seems very clear the effort is compromised by the desire not to upset the locals, rather than a lack of resources. Get a bulldozer in there asap.
And your point is? They don't have infinite resources...
Leave criticism of the people doing all they can to those who have at least a glimmer of an idea what they are talking about.
Sorry John, read the posts - criticism (by myself and those you responded to) was directed at Britain/the UK authorities, "Britain needs to get its act together", not specifically at the people on the ground 'doing all they can'.
If such rampant illegal activity is taking place on the territory, clearly there is a major failure. No other way to say it. And you yourself say the same in the opening of your defense "they don't have infinite resources" - if this is the case, I stand by my post - Britain needs to get its act together and provide the resources to enable them to do actually do what they should be doing, i.e. detecting and preventing crime.
And, while we are at it, cut out the suggestion that people responding here don't have a glimmer of an idea what they are talking about - if 800,000 birds are being illegally killed per year on this fairly small territory, it is not a minor little petty event that doesn't warrant the attention of these busy police folk, it is a major event that is little short of a scandal that is occurring on territory controlled by the UK.
But "major failure" - no. Not even by the British authorities.