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Old Sunday 23rd July 2017, 20:08   #1
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Warbler North Florida?

I'm a UK birder with a fascination for American Warblers and I've copied these pics from another site, where I've been trying to help the photographer ID it. Closest I can suggest is a female or first winter Nashville Warbler; however location and timing appears doubtful?

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Old Sunday 23rd July 2017, 20:11   #2
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Northern Parula. Note the white eye-arcs and the greenish upper mantle.
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Old Sunday 23rd July 2017, 20:25   #3
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Wouldn't Northern Parula show wing bars at any sex/age?
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Old Sunday 23rd July 2017, 20:40   #4
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Wouldn't Northern Parula show wing bars at any sex/age?
Yep, definitely not Northern Parula.

When were the pics taken, please?
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Old Sunday 23rd July 2017, 20:42   #5
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Northern Parula also has a yellow throat at all ages. I'm also leaning towards an out-of-place Nashville Warbler.
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Old Sunday 23rd July 2017, 20:48   #6
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I believe it was around July 15th or 16th. Pic is taken through a window in poor light and rain.
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Old Sunday 23rd July 2017, 21:28   #7
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Northern Parula also has a yellow throat at all ages. I'm also leaning towards an out-of-place Nashville Warbler.
Wouldn't Nashville always show an eye-ring and not like the OP bird eye-arcs? If considering out-of-place warblers seems an option I wonder if it could be an Orange-crowned Warbler?
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Old Sunday 23rd July 2017, 22:20   #8
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I think Nashville always shows a clear eyering. I don't see why this isn't a parula. It's got eyearcs, it's got a green patch in the middle of its blue back, and it's got a long beak with a yellowy lower mandible.
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Can I put McGillivray's Warbler into the equation?
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Can I put McGillivray's Warbler into the equation?
A good likeness indeed, although if correct even further off-course than the other two!
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This is a puzzler. One thing that strikes me in all the photos the feet are quite yellow in contrast to dark legs. I believe MacGuillivray's or any closely related species should have uniformly pale legs and feet. And longer undertail coverts than this bird seems to have. There are not very many American warblers with dark throats, but none of them seem to fit this bird very well.
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This is clearly a Northern Parula. The problem with the wingbars is that, because of molt, the bird’s missing most, though not all, of the feathers of the median & greater secondary coverts, the feathers whose white tips constitute the wing bars. You can pretty clearly see two pinfeathers coming in at the base of where the greater secondary coverts would be, in the third picture. And you can see one feather left in the greater sec. coverts that has a white tip. It looks to me like the bird does indeed have a not-very extensive dull yellowish throat, at least right at the center. And a MacGillivray’s should have pink legs, and no white-tipped feathers on the wings.

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N. Parulas have a very narrow area of the throat that's yellow, such that if you only get a look in profile, there's not much of the yellow visible. Here are a few links to photos that illustrate what I mean:

http://www.jmu.edu/arboretum/images/...m-faintich.jpg

http://www.catharus.com/Image_Librar...n-Parula-0.jpg

The bird in question in the 3 pictures above appears much duller & less contrasty than either of these two, making the yellow(ish) still harder to see.

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This is clearly a Northern Parula. The problem with the wingbars is that, because of molt, the bird’s missing most, though not all, of the feathers of the median & greater secondary coverts, the feathers whose white tips constitute the wing bars. You can pretty clearly see two pinfeathers coming in at the base of where the greater secondary coverts would be, in the third picture. And you can see one feather left in the greater sec. coverts that has a white tip. It looks to me like the bird does indeed have a not-very extensive dull yellowish throat, at least right at the center. And a MacGillivray’s should have pink legs, and no white-tipped feathers on the wings.
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As I stated in #2 and by SEOW. It is definitely a Northern Parula.
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It certainly is a dull individual, but I am in the Northern Parula camp.
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I'm in the Parula camp now too and get the feather molt explanation for the lack of wing bars.

Thanks for the opinions and help.
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I'm in the Parula camp now too and get the feather molt explanation for the lack of wing bars.

Thanks for the opinions and help.
Ditto me
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Old Tuesday 25th July 2017, 16:27   #19
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Its a Northern Parula, immediate impression
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Its a Northern Parula, immediate impression
Yes, but lack of wing bars convinced me it was not. Now, I agree with the explanation for which we don't see the wing bars. Northern Parula it is!
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