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Old Friday 6th April 2018, 01:16   #1
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Zeiss ht discontinued ?

I just looked them up on B&H and it says they are discontinued. Looks like it’s just the SF now. I knew I should have kept my 8x42 ht.
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Old Friday 6th April 2018, 01:38   #2
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They still are on the Zeiss USA website.

https://www.zeiss.com/sports-optics/...inoculars.html

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Old Friday 6th April 2018, 01:45   #3
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That’s weird. I wonder why B&H list them as discontinued.
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Sometimes it takes a little time to bring websites up to date? I guess we will see.

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If I am mistaken, I apologize, but I believe Gijs may have mentioned it somewhere..........

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Old Friday 6th April 2018, 04:12   #6
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Hopefully they will shorten them and re-introduce them.

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Old Friday 6th April 2018, 06:06   #7
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Yes guys HT 42 is being discontinued. HT 54 remains.

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Old Friday 6th April 2018, 07:23   #8
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Yes guys HT 42 is being discontinued. HT 54 remains.

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Lee. Do you know why they are being discontinued?
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Old Friday 6th April 2018, 08:18   #9
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According to https://shop.zeiss.de/Sports%20Optic...2%20(InPageTab)

they are still available:
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Old Friday 6th April 2018, 08:22   #10
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Lee. Do you know why they are being discontinued?
Low sales and smaller margins is my guess.

Birders prefer the SF and hunters the HT 54mm version.

But it's a shame, if you want a new 42mm bin with HT glass and AK-prisms in the future you would have to spend 3000€ to get the new Victory RF.
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Old Friday 6th April 2018, 09:14   #11
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I love my HT's and would not swap them for anything!
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And my 8x42 shortlist was down to two: the Ht and the Noctovid. Looks like my short list just got shorter.

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Lee. Do you know why they are being discontinued?
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No but Zeiss announced job cuts last year and the transfer of jobs to Oberkochen. Doesn't take a genius miind to predict disruption of production so cutting product lines is an obvious route and HT42 is arguably more specialist than SF. Cutting HT42 is what I would have done so I could prioritise production of SF. But this is my surmise and I have no inside info.

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It makes you wonder if there will ever be an 8x32 "SF". The 8x32 FL is kind of a dinosaur, optically speaking.
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It might be difficult to make a 32mm SF small enough to please buyers using upside down SP prisms like the 42 mm SF has. Zeiss didn't put AK prisms in their 32mm Victorys either.

I suppose they could make them with exteriors that "look" like an SF.

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It looks like Zeiss is happy with the margins [and sales] they are seeing on the Conquest 32mm - or the 56mm for that matter - and it may be cheaper than investing in a very costly r&d program and high labour costs to produce something 100% German.

If that's the case, I'd be disappointed but not surprised. I see lots of Conquest HD's in the field - yet to see an SF and just a single HT.
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Low sales and smaller margins is my guess.

Birders prefer the SF and hunters the HT 54mm version.

But it's a shame, if you want a new 42mm bin with HT glass and AK-prisms in the future you would have to spend 3000€ to get the new Victory RF.
Or if you just want the "A-K" part - for less than a grand you could get the A-K prism x45 Maven .........

If the "HT" part tickles your fancy, for even less soon you can get the new Tract 10x42 HT Toric ........



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Or if you just want the "A-K" part - for less than a grand you could get the A-K prism x45 Maven .........

If the "HT" part tickles your fancy, for even less soon you can get the new Tract 10x42 HT Toric ........

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Tickles?
Kamakura products tend to feel more like a "visual rash" for me actually... Plus the resale value for those would be less than zero in Europe.

I probably would have bought the HT if there had been a 7x version.
But I suspect that there is very little chance that we will see any 7x bins in the Zeiss lineup again.

If my FL 7x42 breaks I guess an UVHD+ 7x42 will be the only reasonable alternative.
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Old Saturday 7th April 2018, 14:59   #19
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Vespobuteo,post 16,
If you are luccky the Meopta Meostar 7x42 will still be available or the 7x42 Swarovski Habicht.
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If you are luccky the Meopta Meostar 7x42 will still be available or the 7x42 Swarovski Habicht.
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Meostar is a bit too heavy, and I don't find porros ideal for birding, ergo, focuser etc.

BTW, can't find the 7x42 Meostar on the new Meopta web:

https://www.meoptasportsoptics.eu/en...tar-b1-226-26/

So perhaps it's already discontinued?
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Meostar is a bit too heavy, and I don't find porros ideal for birding, ergo, focuser etc.

BTW, can't find the 7x42 Meostar on the new Meopta web:

https://www.meoptasportsoptics.eu/en...tar-b1-226-26/

So perhaps it's already discontinued?
I think it has discontinued but you might find one in a hunting store somewhere in Europe. I have one of the last ones and it is very nice indeed and to my surprise I don't find the weight too heavy. I now walk with the help of a walking pole in my right hand whereas in the past this hand always rested on my binos to enable me to be 'quick on the draw' with my binos. It turns out that my hand/arm resting on my binos was responsible for a significant amount of the weight I felt on the back of my neck by the end of a long day. During our recent holiday I never noticed the weight of the MeoStar during several long days. It may become a factor for viewing behaviour for extended periods but if this is expected I would normally can an SF for this.

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It always seemed somewhat strange to me that Zeiss would split their own market with two top tier binoculars. It may well be they developed two and let circumstances dictate which (or maybe both?) would survive. Seems like the SF is perhaps the winner.

Lee, I see a lot of people carrying binoculars as you describe. Your conclusion that always holding the glass like you did would indeed add some weight by the end of the day. I typically do not keep a hand on the glass. It seems I may be less bothered by weight. I had no problems with the Leupold Gold Ring or with the large Maven B2 or the Swarovski 10x50 SV I had for a while. All three are large binoculars. You are likely onto something.
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Holding your bins while walking also throws off your natural balance and gait and can contribute to back pain over the course of long field days.
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It always seemed somewhat strange to me that Zeiss would split their own market with two top tier binoculars. It may well be they developed two and let circumstances dictate which (or maybe both?) would survive. Seems like the SF is perhaps the winner.

Lee, I see a lot of people carrying binoculars as you describe. Your conclusion that always holding the glass like you did would indeed add some weight by the end of the day. I typically do not keep a hand on the glass. It seems I may be less bothered by weight. I had no problems with the Leupold Gold Ring or with the large Maven B2 or the Swarovski 10x50 SV I had for a while. All three are large binoculars. You are likely onto something.
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It might have seemed odd that Zeiss would do that but it wasn't without precedent was it? Swaro has EL as top dog and SLC kind of as very close second tier and I think Zeiss wanted a similar arrangement with customers to be choosing not between Swaro and Zeiss but choosing between HT or SF.

See my reply to James below.

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Holding your bins while walking also throws off your natural balance and gait and can contribute to back pain over the course of long field days.
James I don't have back trouble but I developed 'frozen shoulder' a few years back and it was especially bad in my right shoulder, and it was my right hand that I rested on my binos. Using a walking pole to help steadiness crossing bogs, streams, sea inlets, and rocks has been a revelation in several ways and I am sure you are right to to point out that having an arm stuck in that position all day can lead to muscular problems and I bet it led to my frozen shoulder.

The walking pole can double as a Finnstick too.

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