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Old Monday 25th March 2019, 17:41   #651
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Ilyushin 62M, the Russian equivalent of the VC-10. Though the Il 62 dates from 1963, the M version didn't go into service until about 1974, and has had a good reputation for stability in rough weather. The aircraft is the largest commercial aircraft to have fully manual controls, but whether those built later in the production run still were fully manual, I'm not sure. There's a reasonable Wikipedia article about it.
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As we had a run of mentions of the British Airways retro schemes, which, regardless of their "100 years" publicity, celebrate 45 years of BA and perhaps 100 years of commercial aviation in Britain (a tenuous link by the time you've traced it back through BEA and BOAC, Imperial Airways and whoever preceded the last), here's a full set.

Its taken me some time to nail the lot, due to work and airline schedules rarely gelling and the constant East wind not helping at all!

BTW two can play at retro schemes - while staking out BA I caught Aer Lingus's very smart A320 done up in their retro scheme, so there's a bonus!

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Aer Lingus retro Airbus A320-214

British European Airways (BEA) retro Airbus A319-131

British Overseas Airways Corporation (BOAC) retro Boeing 747-436

British Airways Negus (original 1974 scheme designed by Negus and Negus Agency) retro Boeing 747-436

British Airways Landor (1984 scheme designed by Landor Associates) retro Boeing 747-436
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Takes me back to living in Slough under the main fly path. Saturday mornings in the 60s saw my dad taking me up to Heathrow to view the planes, great viewing facilities for everyone on top of the terminal.
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Saturday mornings in the 60s saw my dad taking me up to Heathrow to view the planes, great viewing facilities for everyone on top of the terminal.
I lived in Greenford at that time Pat. We would only get the planes when the wind was in a certain direction; they weren't too low, but did affect the television reception. My uncle lived in Hounslow and they all had been supplied with double-glazing to try and drown the noise a bit in the house.

We used to go to Heathrow in the evenings as teens and went up to the viewing area in one of the terminals to watch the planes come and go. If I'm not mis-remembering there was a bowling alley opposite (or nearby) and we went there after wards for a game.

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As we had a run of mentions of the British Airways retro schemes, which, regardless of their "100 years" publicity, celebrate 45 years of BA and perhaps 100 years of commercial aviation in Britain (a tenuous link by the time you've traced it back through BEA and BOAC, Imperial Airways and whoever preceded the last), here's a full set.

Its taken me some time to nail the lot, due to work and airline schedules rarely gelling and the constant East wind not helping at all!

BTW two can play at retro schemes - while staking out BA I caught Aer Lingus's very smart A320 done up in their retro scheme, so there's a bonus!

John

Aer Lingus retro Airbus A320-214

British European Airways (BEA) retro Airbus A319-131

British Overseas Airways Corporation (BOAC) retro Boeing 747-436

British Airways Negus (original 1974 scheme designed by Negus and Negus Agency) retro Boeing 747-436

British Airways Landor (1984 scheme designed by Landor Associates) retro Boeing 747-436
Brings back memories seeing the 1984 scheme in the air that was my childhood in the 90's it was and still is my fav BA colour scheme I was gutted when they changed it to how it is today wish they kept it. Last night I ordered my ticket for Scotland's National Airshow in July.
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As we had a run of mentions of the British Airways retro schemes, which, regardless of their "100 years" publicity, celebrate 45 years of BA and perhaps 100 years of commercial aviation in Britain (a tenuous link by the time you've traced it back through BEA and BOAC, Imperial Airways and whoever preceded the last), here's a full set.

Its taken me some time to nail the lot, due to work and airline schedules rarely gelling and the constant East wind not helping at all!

BTW two can play at retro schemes - while staking out BA I caught Aer Lingus's very smart A320 done up in their retro scheme, so there's a bonus!

John

Aer Lingus retro Airbus A320-214

British European Airways (BEA) retro Airbus A319-131

British Overseas Airways Corporation (BOAC) retro Boeing 747-436

British Airways Negus (original 1974 scheme designed by Negus and Negus Agency) retro Boeing 747-436

British Airways Landor (1984 scheme designed by Landor Associates) retro Boeing 747-436
Love the old BOAC scheme. Used to love seeing 707s, VC-10s, 747s in that scheme!
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With this year being the 50th anniversary of The Concorde is anyone planning on getting some anniversary items? I recently ordered 50th Anniversary The Spirit Of Concorde' Men's Chronograph Watch &
The 50th Anniversary of Concorde 50p Coin Set.
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Speaking of Concorde, I did get to see one Nov. last year. There is one on display at the USS Intrepid Museum in NYC.

For reasons unknown it was not open to walk through but I got some photos.
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I was in the SW approaches off Cornwall on the 'MV Chalice' in about 1993 when we were underneath a sonic boom as one went over. Obviously you didn't hear it on land due to noise restrictions.
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I have been modelling again.... do not be afraid!

Below please find the pix of the latest aircraft (promised last August) from the 633 Squadron collection: the original novel Squadron Commander's aircraft, A-Apple, mount of Roy Grenville before the unit converted onto Mosquitos for Operation Vesuvius....

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633 Squadron Douglas Boston III X 4
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I saw the Concorde flying once. If I recall correctly it mainly or only flew into New York City. But once for reasons that I don't recall any more it had to divert to Boston, MA, USA. I saw it on approach into Boston as I was on my commute home form work.I'd guess it would have been 2-3K feet up at that point, about 6 miles from the airport.

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Great attention to detail FJ, even down to the wear and tear of the fuselage paint through to mission marks. You must have the patience of a Saint
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Um - I don't think so, not under all circumstances, anyway!

But you have it in a nutshell: the challenge of modelling is to produce something that looks like it could start up and go.... I'd like to think I'm getting somewhere near the effects that are easy to call up in my mind when I start each project. I'm pretty happy with this one I must admit. Thank you for the kind words.

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Ditto, great work, lack of patience was always my enemy in these projects oh and fat, clumsy fingers......
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I used to get bored with the old Airfix models hanging from the bedroom ceiling, so to make room for a new one I would glue a safety pin to the top of a fuselage and attach the plane to a fishing line running from my bedroom down to the back garden allotment. Doused with lighter fluid and cotton wool, then set alight, the plane would slide down and crash with acrid black smoke and dripping molten plastic along the way.....my own reinaction of Thunderbirds.
Managed the "blue tail"heritage F15 taking off at Lakenheath yesterday and my first RAF Lightning II over Swaffham.
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I used to get bored with the old Airfix models hanging from the bedroom ceiling, so to make room for a new one I would glue a safety pin to the top of a fuselage and attach the plane to a fishing line running from my bedroom down to the back garden allotment. Doused with lighter fluid and cotton wool, then set alight, the plane would slide down and crash with acrid black smoke and dripping molten plastic along the way.....my own reinaction of Thunderbirds.
Managed the "blue tail"heritage F15 taking off at Lakenheath yesterday and my first RAF Lightning II over Swaffham.
When various models lost their interest to me, they would get 'shot down' by my .22 air rifle.......
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I know it's the 50th anniversary this year of the Concorde and it made me realise wouldn't it be great to see it have a comeback even for just one day where it flew to different airports? For me personally I would love it as Concorde was my favourite plane when I was little though I only ever saw it once on the day it flew to Edinburgh for the last time. I'll be interested in everyone's thoughts on this.
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I think I was about 14 at the time of Concorde's first flight - it was like watching a "live action" version of a comic or Thunderbirds.

It was always great to see Concorde on final approach to Manchester cutting through the skies above Stockport. You always knew when she was departing - that noise....didn't happen very often, unfortunately.

I took my daughter to Manchester airport to see the BA and Air France planes parked up together (I guess 1995/6 ?) when there was still a viewing platform on top of the terminal buildings.

I only know one person who flew on her, a lad I worked with was urgently required in New York and the company we worked for stumped up the fare. Sadly, he returned by 747.

I would love to see Concorde do a "lap of honour" around the UK.
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I think I was about 14 at the time of Concorde's first flight - it was like watching a "live action" version of a comic or Thunderbirds.

It was always great to see Concorde on final approach to Manchester cutting through the skies above Stockport. You always knew when she was departing - that noise....didn't happen very often, unfortunately.

I took my daughter to Manchester airport to see the BA and Air France planes parked up together (I guess 1995/6 ?) when there was still a viewing platform on top of the terminal buildings.

I only know one person who flew on her, a lad I worked with was urgently required in New York and the company we worked for stumped up the fare. Sadly, he returned by 747.

I would love to see Concorde do a "lap of honour" around the UK.
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The prairie Navy

Given the current tensions, we'll just leave it at in the middle of America today, May 15th, some rare "birds" overflew those of us out birding some wetlands. We're not treated to such sights much since the now long ago closing of the Navy Air Station . Shutters whirred as four Navy Grumman "Hawkeye" E2-C, or D overflew us. My camera was in the hands of another birder interested in my new toy, who had been playing with the settings, so by the time I got it back and the settings back to where I wanted, it was a parting picture.
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A bit dated I know but some skullduggery in the replacement process for the UK's old AWACS with allegations that no other tenders or systems were considered other than Boeings.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ng-letter-mps/
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A bit dated I know but some skullduggery in the replacement process for the UK's old AWACS with allegations that no other tenders or systems were considered other than Boeings.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ng-letter-mps/
It's probably very much down to how we are servants to the USA following WWII. The argument is very much to do with " intergrated" airframes and our special handshake relationship with America. We've committed to the F35 both for carrier and land based, as France and Germany may go into partnership for 5th generation and above fighter / interceptor / light bombers. We have the 6th gen Tempest on the go ( RAF only ) but that is years away. The UAVs operated by the RAF are more or less American so we had to follow our friends over The Pond. We've already agreed the Poseidon ( maritime surveillance ) by agreement, operate another Boeing (RC135 " Rivet Joint") so it naturally follows we take the " Wedgetail" as operated by Australia and some European countries.

With other UK airbases being reduced whilst Fairford is growing, it is down to accountants rather than the commanders at the MOD.

However, all change if we get a Labour government. Then everything will have a Red Star if we have any hardware left.

PS. The Royal Navy have also removed the skipper of our new aircraft carrier due to his use of a service vehicle, even though he paid his own petrol.....the word dunderheads spring to mind.

Cheers Andy, I need a cup of chamomile tea now!

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A bit dated I know but some skullduggery in the replacement process for the UK's old AWACS with allegations that no other tenders or systems were considered other than Boeings.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ng-letter-mps/
Also Boeing P8 for Nimrod replacement. In fact its a catalogue of political (not executive) incompetence with dogmatic austerity coming up against hard reality - the axing of Nimrod MRA4 when on the point of delivery and all the issues dealt with, followed by the sudden realisation that we are an island nation utterly dependent on command of its SLOCs, almost strangled by submarine warfare twice in the twentieth century and abandoning our long-range airborne maritime patrol capability was ludicrous madness.

Similarly the E3 fleet has been left in limbo with upgrades adopted by other users not applied and the airframes worked hard in the interests of political profile, with the obvious result of not only obsolescence but also little airframe life remaining, and an obvious capability gap rushing towards us.

Result, in an environment with "compulsory" competitive tendering for major projects (a policy imposed back in the day by the Tory party, lets not forget): two single tender off the shelf buys from the USA. Go figure.

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Also Boeing P8 for Nimrod replacement. In fact its a catalogue of political (not executive) incompetence with dogmatic austerity coming up against hard reality - the axing of Nimrod MRA4 when on the point of delivery and all the issues dealt with, followed by the sudden realisation that we are an island nation utterly dependent on command of its SLOCs, almost strangled by submarine warfare twice in the twentieth century and abandoning our long-range airborne maritime patrol capability was ludicrous madness.

Similarly the E3 fleet has been left in limbo with upgrades adopted by other users not applied and the airframes worked hard in the interests of political profile, with the obvious result of not only obsolescence but also little airframe life remaining, and an obvious capability gap rushing towards us.

Result, in an environment with "compulsory" competitive tendering for major projects (a policy imposed back in the day by the Tory party, lets not forget): two single tender off the shelf buys from the USA. Go figure.

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As someone who worked in the E3 Sentry Project Office/Engineering Authority, I can assure you that the Nimrod AEW was a project that had lived too long, each part of the development (cooling the radars needed external airscoops; that produced additional drag and so reduced range; range was also reduced by an increase in empty weight of the airframe and by the engines having to work harder to deal with both problems; there were also power generation problems to run the AEW system).

The E3 Sentry was a good aircraft, but the UK Government's understandable desire for some of the electronic kit to be UK-sourced resulted in a curate's egg - much was good or adequate, but some was not even crap standard. My office managed to have the latter ditched, replacement items mostly being recently developed UK digital kit for other UK Service projects, moved sideways into the Sentry, but one system was purchased directly from the USN.

The Bosnian War required a new suite of specialist digital radios whose beams were electronically steered by a matrix of new fuselage top and bottom aerials. Mr Boeing quoted many millions and a two-year fast-tracked modification. Instead the RAF did it as a series of Service Modifications in six weeks and the new systems worked. Mr Boeing retrospectively cleared them to meet air safety regulations...

The RAF's Sentry aircraft were delivered on time and under budget. Unfortunately, the original number of aircraft planned for was reduced to the current number, which meant by the first year of operational deployment over the Balkans, we were well ahead of airframe consumption hours. So, the reduced purchase of aircraft was a home goal long-term, I'm afraid.

Your take on the ASW gap is spot on, I would say.
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