Spring Raptors, Marettimo Sicily (1 Viewer)

Kinthissa · May 19, 2019

23rd April, after 2 days of a ferocious Scirocco

no.1 is to celebrate a returning Honey Buzzard, a lone bird at 12.00; would you agree a female?

nos. 2, 3 : ca 17.00, in amongst several Black Kites, a pale Booted Eagle?

nos. 4,5 : ca 19.00, looks like a Buteo, please can you tell me which kind it is?

Andy Adcock · May 19, 2019

Agree with your ID's, last two are Common Buzzards I'd say?

Valéry Schollaert · May 19, 2019

Difficult 2cy Buteo buzzard, the tail look really pale and unbarred, but quality is not enough for me. Not sure we can get a positive ID. Buteo buteo (especially is we include cirtensis and vulpinus) is by far most likely though :king::king:

Kinthissa · May 19, 2019

Valéry Schollaert said:
Difficult 2cy Buteo buzzard, the tail look really pale and unbarred, but quality is not enough for me. Not sure we can get a positive ID. Buteo buteo (especially is we include cirtensis and vulpinus) is by far most likely though :king::king:

Thank you, Andy and Valéry. Re: bird in nos. 4 - 5 as a 2nd cy Buteo on spring migration ... with no indication of a dark trailing edge to the wing, do you think we can say it is likely not a Common Buzzard B. buteo buteo? In amongst Forsman's photos, there is a similarly light B. buteo vulpinus, also a B. rufinus cirtensis.

With such variability in Buteo subspecies, I appreciate that a bird seen on migration must be nearly impossible to identify with certainty.

Valéry Schollaert · May 19, 2019

Kinthissa said:
Thank you, Andy and Valéry. Re: bird in nos. 4 - 5 as a 2nd cy Buteo on spring migration ... with no indication of a dark trailing edge to the wing, do you think we can say it is likely not a Common Buzzard B. buteo buteo? In amongst Forsman's photos, there is a similarly light B. buteo vulpinus, also a B. rufinus cirtensis.

With such variability in Buteo subspecies, I appreciate that a bird seen on migration must be nearly impossible to identify with certainty.

As I claimed many times, B. (buteo) cirtensis, is not related to B. rufinus.

http://www.magornitho.org/2019/02/north-african-buzzard-taxonomy/

Kinthissa · May 20, 2019

Valéry Schollaert said:
As I claimed many times, B. (buteo) cirtensis, is not related to B. rufinus.

http://www.magornitho.org/2019/02/north-african-buzzard-taxonomy/

I wasn't aware of your claim, but now I have read the article you linked me to. Thank you. Fascinating to know about : "... this hybridisation in the Strait of Sicily and the Strait of Gibraltar"

I am now taking on board the following from the article :"This study confirmed that the North African Buzzard (cirtensis) is more closely related to the Common Buzzard."
and :"In English, the qualifier “Long-legged” should be dropped from the name. I think ‘North African Buzzard’ is a better and more appropriate name than ‘Atlas Buzzard’".

Valéry Schollaert · May 21, 2019

Kinthissa said:
I wasn't aware of your claim, but now I have read the article you linked me to. Thank you. Fascinating to know about : "... this hybridisation in the Strait of Sicily and the Strait of Gibraltar"

I am now taking on board the following from the article :"This study confirmed that the North African Buzzard (cirtensis) is more closely related to the Common Buzzard."
and :"In English, the qualifier “Long-legged” should be dropped from the name. I think ‘North African Buzzard’ is a better and more appropriate name than ‘Atlas Buzzard’".

I published lists of Belgian, French, Morocco and WP birds since about 2005, and North African Buzzard was split. On Birdforum, I insisted on that several times, as here : https://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=240247

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