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Old Sunday 30th May 2004, 20:59   #1
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Buzzard tail feather?

Hi y'all

I think that's just what it is, but like confirmation.

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Old Tuesday 1st June 2004, 09:19   #2
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Hi Andre,
Yep, common bussard. The quite dense brown barring together with the feather size is characteristical.

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Old Tuesday 1st June 2004, 13:23   #3
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Thanks Joern,

I found this site today and it also gives me conformation, but I think it's S1 -S6. Do you agree?

http://www.faunoekjmueller-magdeburg.../bussarde.html
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Old Tuesday 1st June 2004, 15:53   #4
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Hi Andre,
why do you say but? I ´d agree on that
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Old Tuesday 1st June 2004, 15:57   #5
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Hi Joern

I said but because in my originail message I said 'tail', not because of your remark.

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Old Tuesday 1st June 2004, 16:08   #6
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But it is a tail feather; S stands for Schwanz = Tail
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Old Tuesday 1st June 2004, 18:20   #7
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I guess it is easy confusion with English language, where S = Secondary (wing feather)

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S or T

Hi,

Looka here.

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S or T 2

And here, it's confusing I'd say?

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Hi Andre,
the feathers S1-S6 on the lowest right picture of the 6 bussard pics on the german website you looked at are Tail feathers (it is the right pic below the text on buzzard feathers);
just the same as those feathers T1-T6 marked yellow on the above wood pigeon drawing (in german that would be S1-S6).

A secondary (Armschwinge in german) would be much more bent and a primary (Handschwinge in german, therefore H) has a totally different shape.

I am getting confused now; perhaps we are just meaning the same thing?

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Guess we do, Joern.

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Old Wednesday 2nd June 2004, 15:41   #12
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Joern:

Do you really use those German terms; i.e. S1, S2 etc. for tail feathers? My German is "ok", and I know that at least in scientific groups (universities etc.), you use the Latin. The reason why I am asking is that in all other languages I know well, they just use some form of the Latin usually changed a bit to fit the local language... but, in any case, still easy to recognize where it originated.
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Rasmus,
normally I´d use the international english respectively latin terms (and in scientific work this is usual also in Germany),
but some people don´t; for example the guy in the link Andre found, does use the German terms.

That there are German terms (which are quite old , in fact) is probably due to long the history of interest in birds and bird watching also in Germany (at least as long as in the UK or the US, though it never got that popular as in the UK or the US).
For example the drawings of Johann Friedrich Naumann originate from the same time as John James Audubon´s and are said to be as good, though he never got that popular.
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Old Thursday 3rd June 2004, 19:59   #14
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But it is a tail feather; S stands for Schwanz = Tail
Doesn't just mean tail though does it Joern!!
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Brendan, To answer that I should cite Shakespeare, King Henry V (the scene in the english camp the night before the final battle):"...and Pistol´s cock is up."
Also fitting to a birdforum, but probably with more ruffled feathers. So I´d better stop here...it´s not so easy for a non-native speaker to put such things the right way.
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