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Old Monday 14th September 2020, 21:01   #1
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pipit, Vale of Glamorgan

i saw this bird high up in a tree in Henson Woods, Vale of Glamorgan earlier today
sorry for the poor quality but the marking seems to indicate a pipit - since it's in a tree, does that make it a tree pipit, or is it a meadow pipit that just happens to sit in a tree ?
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Old Monday 14th September 2020, 21:23   #2
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I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this is as you initially suggested a Tripit!...cos I can’t ever recall seeing mipit perched up like that on a tree, a bush yes, but not a tree?

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thanks - i'll take that as a provisional tree ID then
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Old Monday 14th September 2020, 22:04   #4
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Although Meadow Pipits can fly into trees/tops of shrubs if flushed, this looks like a Tree Pipit to me - the upper breast streaking ends fairly neatly in a band across the chest, what can be made out from the face pattern is a strongly marked face/malar stripe and the ‘sleek’ shape which all point to Tree Pipit.
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thanks again
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Old Monday 14th September 2020, 22:27   #6
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I’ve just looked at this on a larger monitor, apologies but I’m second guessing myself now - that bill on the first image looks rather thin and pointed! Can you lighten the image at all and do you have any others?
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unfortunately that's all the pictures I have

here are the same pictures, slightly larger and less dark - hope that helps

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I had a go, can't resist this sort of tinkering! My eyes are very sore from screens at the moment (dry eye condition) and I'll have to leave this until tomorrow now, but a very quick glance suggests probably good for Tree.
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Old Monday 14th September 2020, 23:09   #9
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I had a go, can't resist this sort of tinkering! My eyes are very sore from screens at the moment (dry eye condition) and I'll have to leave this until tomorrow now, but a very quick glance suggests probably good for Tree.
Me too - struggling to focus!

I agree they look like Tree - the face pattern is fine (which I wanted to see). I would have liked a stouter bill though!

Thanks Marnix - that’s helpful!
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once more, thanks for making the effort on what are no doubt unsatisfactory pictures
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I'm seeing a long, fairly straight hind claw in the pics - Meadow for me.


And yes, Meadow Pipits will readily perch up in trees (and particularly so on dead snags like this), I've often seen them 10 metres up or more.
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I'm seeing a long, fairly straight hind claw in the pics - Meadow for me.
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That’s a fibre of vegetation - there’s another piece further along the branch, the hind claw isn’t visible.
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That’s a fibre of vegetation - there’s another piece further along the branch, the hind claw isn’t visible.
Dang! Fooled again
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tried to put both pictures through Merlin, but it can't make a decision between meadow and tree pipit - presumably the quality of the images is insufficient to come to a positive ID

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Agree facial pattern looks reasonable for Tree Pipit.

Presumably Merlin App is AI, but don't think it can pick out/id species from less than ideal photos better than humans ... yet . Good to know it doesn't have to decide though!

I've seen plenty of Meadow Pipit in trees, and more than 10m up, so wouldn't rely on it being in a tree making it a Tree Pipit!
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tried to put both pictures through Merlin, but it can't make a decision between meadow and tree pipit - presumably the quality of the images is insufficient to come to a positive ID

pity
Merlin would quite happily eat either
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one more thing : the place where I saw the bird was densely wooded, something that may not be obvious from the pictures

so this was not a stand-alone tree but part of those woods, at the edge of the path we were walking on

do meadow pipits frequent woods of that description ?
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one more thing : the place where I saw the bird was densely wooded, something that may not be obvious from the pictures

so this was not a stand-alone tree but part of those woods, at the edge of the path we were walking on

do meadow pipits frequent woods of that description ?
If the pictures are recent both candidate species can end up virtually anywhere, so habitat shouldn't be given much importance for this bird ID, IMO.
I agree with Tree Pipit,

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I agree with Tree Pipit, although not 100% sure.
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