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Britain's Largest Warship

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Old Sunday 17th November 2019, 13:39   #26
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Originally Posted by andyadcock View Post
Out of curiosity, how many battle ready, fastjet pilots do you think the RAF has, perhaps this is part of the reason they are mothballed?
About 100 - 125 for the RAF (fast jets only), based on the retirement of Tornado and the 50 odd Typhoons, pure guess.
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Old Sunday 17th November 2019, 13:46   #27
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Surprised to read that around 50 RAF Typhoons are " mothballed " at present ( even if they were part of the first deliveries ). That seems a heck of a lot of airframes to be in storage and unable to go if needed. Cannot quite my head round why they are kept if they would be ineffective ( not upgraded) against a well equipped enemy with state of the Migs and Sus. Also, for FJ, outdogfight the Rafael or Grippen?

You might want to talk to your Parliamentary candidates about the size of the RAF's fast jet force, then

Quite a few Tornado F2s went into storage without being upgraded, too... it's not that unusual a situation. The Tornado GR1s at the Trinational Tornado Training Establishment at Cottesmore were little more than airworthy shells. With the Batch 1 Typhoons I'm not sure full upgrades are even possible, but I gather the intent is to form a couple of extra squadrons with the air-to-air only aircraft to do Aggressor training for the rest of the RAF (and our Allies?) and provide QRA, reducing the pressure on the fully capable swing-role jets.

As for Rafale I've no knowledge (it looks great at RIAT!) but the French have a history of capable, slippery dogfighters, though sometimes persistence in the fight is an issue in respect of both weapons and fuel: Gripen, although manoeuvrable, doesn't have the out-and-out power that provides the edge in the close-in fight where its all about energy. How long can you sustain that 9G pull without losing (or even while still gaining) altitude or even stalling out? I suspect the Typhoon's systems are superior as well.

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