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Old Friday 18th October 2019, 22:31   #76
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It's an inevitable consequence of a police force that seems to be under orders to tolerate disruption of ordinary working peoples' lives by trustafarian art students, unemployable crusties and retired geography teachers. The more this goes on, the more incidents of this nature will happen.

XR has sod all to do with climate change.
The police in Bristol were under express orders to allow the protest. On the morning that Bristol Bridge was blocked by first some concrete blocks and then a boat in July, I was told that the local authority had agreed to it happening. As a result, the claim that they were doing anything illegal to raise awareness seemed a lie and the main offence appeared to be misfeasance in a public office by the local authority in failing to go through the necessary steps under the Road Traffic Regulations Orders. I hoped that they would refuse to leave and make it real but it rained heavily on the Friday so most left.....

Those attending appeared principally to be from a very narrow privileged demographic with no understanding of the natural world but the conclusion I reached was that they were doing a useful job in raising awareness and I suspect trends are already developing on reducing demand for beef, reduced long haul flights, etc. So I am glad it is happening regardless of my personal (and possibly flawed) assessment.

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Old Friday 18th October 2019, 22:39   #77
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Just listened to Anarchy in the UK and God Save the Queen. Both classics.
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Old Saturday 19th October 2019, 00:42   #78
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Just listened to Anarchy in the UK and God Save the Queen. Both classics.
Much as the Beatles were banned across the U.S. radio market circa 1965 following Lennon's comment about Jesus Christ, where they got revenge on the media with Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (continually denying it was about LSD), Johnny Rotten was often cornered with the demand to confess to being an anarchist, which he continually denied as being "musical anarchy".

I assume that the Wikis have been purged of all this by now, to preserve the Official Story, but we remember...
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Giving the spindly idiot a slap was doing him a favour it got him down to safety.....or so he thought

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And back to the OP I am not a twitcher as the idea of driving across the country to view a rare visitor does not really appeal (I discovered this when standing on Marazion beach some years back in freezing horizontal rain and then cowering on the cafe trying to warm up, having stopped caring about the bird I came for - quite frankly a Sea Eagle could have flown by with an Ocelot in it's beak at this point and I wouldn't have cared, such are the vagaries if British weather), however, as I do "get out there" I bought an eco car last time the transport came up for changing. I won't say which make and model, however it is petrol powered whatsit (not electric) and has the benefit of free road tax - so I have changed my impact slightly - it probably won't save the world though, so I'm sticking to walking round my local patch now :)
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Old Saturday 19th October 2019, 09:24   #81
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Just listened to Anarchy in the UK and God Save the Queen. Both classics.
but did you also listen to Dangerous, Up the ladder to the roof, Under the bridge, "OK, Comm(p)uter", the Beat, and Complete Madness. or was I completely wasting my time there!:)
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but did you also listen to Dangerous, Up the ladder to the roof, Under the bridge, "OK, Comm(p)uter", the Beat, and Complete Madness. or was I completely wasting my time there!:)
I got a song by Britney Spears called Dangerous and decided I wasn't prepared to carry on playing musical Russian Roulette....
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It's an inevitable consequence of a police force that seems to be under orders to tolerate disruption of ordinary working peoples' lives by trustafarian art students, unemployable crusties and retired geography teachers. The more this goes on, the more incidents of this nature will happen.

XR has sod all to do with climate change.
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Part of my motivation for starting this thread was a decision which Anna Magdalena and I took to try not use air travel any more. Virtuously, we booked a holiday on the Scillies rather than our usual annual fortnight in Spain.

But then I remembered the Scillonian voyages back in the 80s when seasickness blighted the passage. (Damp flannels make me feel queasy.)
So I hid behind an Anti-Principle Quantum Fustulator and booked Skybus.

On the day of both outward and return journeys, Skybus was cancelled, so we had to take the Sik-lonian.

Hubris, tempered by virtuosity and mal-de-mer.

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Ginger, whether in its raw form, as a biscuit, or as a sweet (i.e. candy) is highly recommended for calming the stomach and keeping mal-de-mer at bay. I use it all the time and have always managed to keep my breakfast down while all around are losing theirs.
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The word used by economists is externalities. Ecotourism produces so much positive externalities. Habitat is protected, local people get richer. And experiencing other countries and cultures is the best way to forster global peace. Somebody who travelled to Israel or Iran is less inclined to believe that Jews/Muslims are vile people meaning harm to everybody.

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decision which Anna Magdalena and I took to try not use air travel any more. Virtuously, we booked a holiday on the Scillies rather than our usual annual fortnight in Spain.
If you lived in, for example, China, a distance similar to England to Southern Spain could be covered in few hours by a high-speed train. But Britain has very little organizational, monetary nor social abilities to build new infrastructure. So alternative to spending carbon is pretty much staying close to home all your life.

This shows how reducing carbon footprint turns to an excuse of European governments to higher taxes and not giving much carbon-less alternatives.
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The word used by economists is externalities. Ecotourism produces so much positive externalities. Habitat is protected, local people get richer. And experiencing other countries and cultures is the best way to forster global peace. Somebody who travelled to Israel or Iran is less inclined to believe that Jews/Muslims are vile people meaning harm to everybody.
I get this Jurek - and it would make sense in a world where global warming was a distant threat.

But global warming isn't distant. There's evidence of a crisis all around us: extreme climate events in Australia and Europe; glaciers and ice-caps at their lowest level; and climate deniers in the White House and other capital cities.

We ALL must take action before this fragile planet reacts and destroys a huge amount of habitable land - and all the creatures which live there.

Ecotourism is one small thing which we can control - because photographs and videos are (almost) perfect representations of the real thing. The internet has it all.

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I get this Jurek - and it would make sense in a world where global warming was a distant threat.

But global warming isn't distant. There's evidence of a crisis all around us: extreme climate events in Australia and Europe; glaciers and ice-caps at their lowest level; and climate deniers in the White House and other capital cities.

We ALL must take action before this fragile planet reacts and destroys a huge amount of habitable land - and all the creatures which live there.

Ecotourism is one small thing which we can control - because photographs and videos are (almost) perfect representations of the real thing. The internet has it all.

Don't fly when you can surf!

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I'm sure others than I can see the danger here: how many photos are enough? And how do you know old ones aren't being recycled while the animals (no longer needed) have been extinguished....

The only guarantee of conservation persistence is human involvement. It's surely no coincidence that on another thread some are recommending a boycott of Malta (no flying) while others insist that both to provide weight to the argument and to support those already fighting, birders should fly to Malta and attend the anti-shooting camps.....

So eco-tourist travel has to be rated higher relative to Costa Blanca chav toasting and business travel that could be conducted by skype (sorry conference birding Mike!)

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I'm sure others than I can see the danger here: how many photos are enough? And how do you know old ones aren't being recycled while the animals (no longer needed) have been extinguished....

The only guarantee of conservation persistence is human involvement. It's surely no coincidence that on another thread some are recommending a boycott of Malta (no flying) while others insist that both to provide weight to the argument and to support those already fighting, birders should fly to Malta and attend the anti-shooting camps.....

So eco-tourist travel has to be rated higher relative to Costa Blanca chav toasting and business travel that could be conducted by skype (sorry conference birding Mike!)

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That's all sensible, on here. And I'm sure most on here would agree. What worries me is that the power and influence in the world isn't Conservationists, or even Governments. There is a rising power of global conglomerates who are becoming so huge, nothing will be able to touch them.

You can tell they are so big, because the Brexit argument that has dominated the UK for 3 years doesn't even register with them. They adjust and make bigger profits no matter what is happening at country level.

How long before these Companies are bigger than most countries, or Amazon ltd. literally buys the Amazon.

If they aren't paying tax, then they aren't going to worry about preserving habitat.
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