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Some Grebni(t)s/zki/y/j birds ... (1 Viewer)

Björn Bergenholtz

(former alias "Calalp")
Sweden
Here´s a small, minor addition (a Middle name) on the eponym:

grebnitskii as in:
• the subspeices (Erythrospiza) Carpodacus erythrinus grebnitskii STEJNEGER 1885 (here)
= the Russian adminstrator (Governor of Kamtchatka and of the Commander Islands) and collector Nikolai Alexandrovich/Aleksandrovich Grebnitzki/Grebnisky alt. Grebnizky/Grebnitzkij*, (fl. 1885) who together with Stejneger explored the Kamtchatka peninsula, in the Russian Far East.

*Depending on which language transcription you prefer.

The same "Nikolai A. Grebnitzki" is possibly, alt. most likely, also commemorated in the two, invalid (synonymous) names; grebnitskii/grebnitzkii as in:
•"Corvus grebnitskii" STEJNEGER 1884 (here, p.97, no dedication)
•"Hierofalco Grebnitzkii" SEVERTZOV "1885" (1898?, here, and Plate, here) a k a (on the following page 70) "H. Grebnitrkii"! Typo?
Von H. [H. = Herr (Mr)] Grebnizky, dem diese Museum ...
My lack of knowledge in Russian (and German) doesn´t let me go further than that.

Anyone, with better language skills, who can add anything (whatever small, or large) on this guy?

Björn
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Николай Александрович Гребницкий
b. 8 Dec (26 Nov, Julian calendar) 1848; d. 21 Mar (8 Mar, Julian cal.) 1908.

There are fairly extensive biographical notes (albeit, indeed, in Russian) by N.A. Tatarenkova in [this].


(The falcon is from 1885. The title page of the journal volume says 1898, but was presumably printed after completion of the volume; [the title page of the concerned issue] is dated 1885. In this text, the author just says he has only seen one exemplar of his new "H. Grebnitzkii" (H. = Hierofalco, here; beware that, although some key words are italicized here and there in the text, scientific names are not), a faded female from the Bering islands, deposited in the museum of the St-Petersburg University by Herr Grebnitzky, to whom this museum owes many valuable specimens from this area.)
 
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Ok only for sake of completeness.

The Eponym Dictionary of Birds claims:
Common Rosefinch ssp. Carpodacus erythrinus grebnitskii Stejneger, 1885
Nikolai A. Grebnitzki (DNF) was a Russian administrator in Siberia and a collector who was in Kamtchatka (1885) and collected molluscs on Bering Island with Stejneger (q.v.).

Of course above more information.
 
:oops: Sorry Martin, but I don't get it!?

Why post anything with less information?

Today's Key to Scientific Names tells us:
grebnitskii / grebnitzkii
Nikolai Aleksandrovich Grebnitzki (1848-1908) Russian Gov. of Kamchatka, Siberia (subsp. Carpodacus erythrinus, syn. Corvus corax kamtschaticus, syn. Falco rusticolus).
... and so did the dear old HBW Alive Key (from December 2017, until March 2020).

Or do you intend ("for sake of completeness") to post every single entry, in the Eponym Dictionary of Birds, even if it tells us (far) less than we already know? Not even something seemingly contradictory ...

And if so; why? What's the point?

Puzzled ... :unsure:

/B
 
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