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I thought to separate these two species because I found them quite different from the typical Larus, with their short bill and the lack of red spot on the mandible, but visibly, it's dead
 
I thought to separate these two species because I found them quite different from the typical Larus, with their short bill and the lack of red spot on the mandible, but visibly, it's dead
I could be wrong, but if I remember rightly, (a) Larus heermanni is basal in Larus, so you'd need to split that out first, and (b) L. canus and L. delawarensis are a basal grade, not a clade, so would each need monotypic genera if split out. I'll check refs when I've got more time.


Also while on Larus canus, IOC say (of ssp. brachyrhynchus):
Genetically distinct Short-billed Gull previously split from Common /Mew Gull (AOU Sibley 1996, Zink et al. 1995, Olsen & Larsson 2003, BNA). BNA makes the point that Zink’s paper only looked at mtDNA differences between kamtschatschensis and brachyrhynchus. A study also incorporating nominate canus is needed to round out the picture and because some have proposed (e.g. S&M, 1990) that the species break might be between kamtschatschensis and canus/brachyrhynchus.
This is not true, there is several other studies, not just Zink et al.; the split is between Old World canus s.l. (including heinei and kamtschatschensis), and New World brachyrhynchus. Again, refs to follow, but one that IOC needs to look at again.
 
I could be wrong, but if I remember rightly, (a) Larus heermanni is basal in Larus

It is basal in the "Gabianus" clade, with pacificus, crassirostris, belcheri and atlanticus, at least, according to the tree from Tif (which is based, in part, to Sternkopf 2011, dissert)
 
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It looks like IOC has split the Australian form of Gull-billed Tern, something I cannot remember seeing discussed. Any directions? and as a birder who have seen some gull-billed tern in Australia, how common would the rest of the old species be there?

Niels
 
From HBW Alive: Hitherto treated as conspecific with G. nilotica, but differs in its considerably larger size, with effect size for bill 3.69 (published data; score 2); differently shaped bill, with culmen more decurved and negligible gonydeal angle (2); nomadic, opportunistic and kleptoparasitic behaviour decoupled from tightly scheduled migration patterns (1); paler grey upperparts (1); more extensive black patch around the eye and ear-coverts in winter (1). Monotypic.
This is the common "Gull-billed" Tern in Oz, the other is a scarce migrant, we some times see a few on passage in Cairns
 
From HBW Alive: Hitherto treated as conspecific with G. nilotica, but differs in its considerably larger size, with effect size for bill 3.69 (published data; score 2); differently shaped bill, with culmen more decurved and negligible gonydeal angle (2); nomadic, opportunistic and kleptoparasitic behaviour decoupled from tightly scheduled migration patterns (1); paler grey upperparts (1); more extensive black patch around the eye and ear-coverts in winter (1). Monotypic.
This is the common "Gull-billed" Tern in Oz, the other is a scarce migrant, we some times see a few on passage in Cairns

Thank you very much. What time of the year would the passage be for the world wide form?

Niels
 
From HBW Alive:
This is the common "Gull-billed" Tern in Oz, the other is a scarce migrant, we some times see a few on passage in Cairns


Saw one Gull-billed Tern with its Australian cousins at Broome WA in September 2017. The size difference was quite notable.

Ian
 
Saw one Gull-billed Tern with its Australian cousins at Broome WA in September 2017. The size difference was quite notable.

Ian

I visited Broome at about the same time when there were a few Gull-billed Terns amid the locals. Pete Colston picked them out. The ID characteristics were laid out in 2015.
MJB
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Rogers, DI, P Collins, RE Jessop, CDT Minton and CJ Hassell. 2005. Gull-billed Terns in north-western Australia: subspecies identification, moults and behavioural notes. Emu 105: 145-158.
 

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Thank you for the help. It seems that October to April is the period for the NW visitors, and my visits to Oz were in June-July, so no doubt about those observations.

Correction: immature birds are seen in NW Australia during boreal summer.

Niels
 
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Genetically, things may be a bit more muddled in Gelochelidon.

Tavares & Baker 2008 ([here], see in particular [Table 3] found three mtDNA groups : one with "large-billed" W Australian birds (= macrotarsa), one with "small-billed" W Australian birds (no overlap in measurements with the previous group; presumed to be affinis (AKA addenda)), and one with birds from S America and central Russia (= the rest). Some more specimens have been sequenced since -- perhaps most significantly a bird from Shaanxi, on the breeding grounds of affinis, which indeed matches the "smaller-billed" Aussie group; also a couple of birds from Djibouti, one from Afghanistan, one more from S America, which all fall in the nominate group (see attached tree).

From these data, it's in any case far from clear that macrotarsa is more divergent than affinis.
 

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Also while on Larus canus, IOC say (of ssp. brachyrhynchus):
This is not true, there is several other studies, not just Zink et al.; the split is between Old World canus s.l. (including heinei and kamtschatschensis), and New World brachyrhynchus. Again, refs to follow, but one that IOC needs to look at again.
Here's a study looking at barcodes (COI) of canus (s.str.) and brachyrhynchus. Surprising! https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10336-009-0490-3
 
Here's a study looking at barcodes (COI) of canus (s.str.) and brachyrhynchus. Surprising! https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10336-009-0490-3
Note however that the descriptive comment in the paper ("North American Mew Gulls Larus canus grouped together within the shallow multispecies cluster of white-headed Larus gulls, while Scandinavian L. canus clustered outside the entire group with relatively good bootstrap support (Fig. 5).") is somewhat misleading. The Scandinavian birds indeed "clustered [...] with relatively good support" (BS = 93). But the support for them being "outside the entire group" which supposedly also included the American Mew Gulls (this is measured by the support given to this latter group, with American birds in, and Scandinavian birds out) was in fact desperately low (BS = 52). This tree certainly shows that the sequenced brachyrhynchus 'differed' significantly from the sequenced canus; but it can certainly not be read as demonstrating that the broad Larus canus is polyphyletic.

A quite similar tree, based on the same marker but with more included birds (7 haplotypes included in the tree, representing all the haplotypes that had been found in 4 Scandinavian + 1 Dutch + 5 Russian [4 of which from the Far East] + 7 American birds), was also published by Kwon et al 2012 (https://doi.org/10.3109/19401736.2012.660921, free access at https://www.researchgate.net/publication/221695624). Curiously, though, they did not note that the "two polyphyletic clades", "separated by deep genetic divergence", which they had identified, were linked to geography. One of these clades included exclusively haplotypes from American birds (brachyrhynchus), the other exclusively haplotypes from Eurasian birds (presumably 5 canus, 1 heinei and 4 kamtschatschensis).

For the position of a few additional specimens based on barcodes (sequences not public yet), you can also go to http://boldsystems.org/index.php/Public_BarcodeCluster?clusteruri=BOLD:ACE9128, and download the "tree reconstruction of BIN and nearest neighbor" pdf.

Viviane Sternkopf, in 2010, included a chapter on the canus complex in her thesis (https://epub.ub.uni-greifswald.de/f...le/Dissertation_Viviane_Sternkopf_Uni_Bib.pdf, pp. 104-110), based on cytb, nd2 and partial control region sequences from 36 canus, 12 heinei, 5 kamtschatschensis and 4 brachyrhynchus. These data also showed that brachyrhynchus is the most distinct form in the complex, while kamtschatschensis groups much more closely with canus/heinei. (She was of the opinion that brachyrhynchus was worthy of species status.) I don't think this has been published formally, though.

Sonsthagen et al 2012 https://doi.org/10.1002/ece3.240 also found a clear differentiation between brachyrhynchus (n = 41) on one hand and [canus (n = 9) + kamtschatschensis] (n = 11) on the other, based both on mtDNA (partial control region), and microsatellites, suggesting the difference is not 'just' mitochondrial.
(This data set leaves me somewhat uncomfortable, however. In particular, the data show some mtDNA haplotype sharing between canus/brachyrhynchus and some typical LWHG, which would presumably have to be due to introgression. This is still more obvious in Sonsthagen et al 2016 https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ympev.2016.06.008, free access at http://gull-research.org/papers/pap...eadedgullcomplexhybridizationrecentorigin.pdf (based in part on the same data), and would also appear to affect delawarensis (not sampled in the 2012 work). Hybridisation between medium and large white-headed gull taxa is virtually unknown, which makes this haplotype sharing unexpected, and no comparable pattern can be seen in other data sets: I think this would require an explanation. (E.g.: Out of 55 occidentalis/wymani in the 2016 data set, it appears that one had a heermanni-like haplotype, one had a canus-like haplotype, 3 had brachyrhynchus-like haplotypes, 10 had delawarensis-like haplotypes; out of 19 occidentalis/wymani in Sternkopf's 2010 data set, zero had such apparent introgressed basal haplotype. The figures seem too far apart to be explained by chance alone.))

Of course, for morphological differentiation in the canus complex, one should also read Adriaens & Gibbins 2016 http://gull-research.org/papers/papers9/gulls_CommonGulls_identification_Adriaens&Gibbins2016.pdf.
 
Viviane Sternkopf, in 2010, included a chapter on the canus complex in her thesis (https://epub.ub.uni-greifswald.de/f...le/Dissertation_Viviane_Sternkopf_Uni_Bib.pdf, pp. 104-110), based on cytb, nd2 and partial control region sequences from 36 canus, 12 heinei, 5 kamtschatschensis and 4 brachyrhynchus. These data also showed that brachyrhynchus is the most distinct form in the complex, while kamtschatschensis groups much more closely with canus/heinei. (She was of the opinion that brachyrhynchus was worthy of species status.) I don't think this has been published formally, though.

There's a summary published in Vogelwarte 49 (3): 175

http://www.do-g.de/fileadmin/do-g_dokumente/Vogelwarte_3-2011.pdf

Of course, for morphological differentiation in the canus complex, one should also read Adriaens & Gibbins 2016 http://gull-research.org/papers/papers9/gulls_CommonGulls_identification_Adriaens&Gibbins2016.pdf.
They also cite Sternkopf's work.

What's clearly not correct though, is the claim on the IOC page that L. c. canus has not been investigated.
 

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