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Old Wednesday 8th July 2020, 20:46   #626
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Jan. I hope you like the NL 8x42. I just pre-ordered one with 10% off. They said late august.
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What is wrong with the CL30 line?
Start with FOV and ER. But, I'm not going to criticize, they are cute.

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Old Wednesday 8th July 2020, 20:55   #628
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Start with FOV and ER. But, I'm not going to criticize, they are cute.

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I assume you are talking about the first model.
The current one with the optical box and bigger eye lens..........

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Jan. I hope you like the NL 8x42. I just pre-ordered one with 10% off. They said late august.
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Only 10%?
You must be getting soft on your age

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I assume you are talking about the first model.
The current one with the optical box and bigger eye lens..........

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So what's the FOV and ER of the "Neu" CL?
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Start with FOV and ER. But, I'm not going to criticize, they are cute.

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Don't criticize the CLs. I have the 8x30 and 10x30. They are great little binoculars. The EL 8x32 is a tad better but it is more expensive also.
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So what's the FOV and ER of the "Neu" CL?
132 meters and ER is no issue thanks to the optical box.
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Only 10%?
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Most dealers did not even want to give that. They said they were in such HIGH demand!
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You got to admit there was something uncanny about Swarovski coming out with a new binocular at exactly the same time as Zeiss with a little bigger FOV! It had to be planned.
Well, Swaro's NL42 are the answer to Zeiss SF42, which came out 5 years ago.

If there would be a NL32 ready to be launched this year, it would have been announced now as well, before the SF32 becomes available. It will take some more time, but probably not another 5 years.


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If the inevitable and already eagerly anticipated 8x32 NL is subjectively only marginally 'better' than the 8x32 SF or even very similar and Swarovski pitch it at just sub-2k, the SF could end up dead in the water, despite all the hype it has received. This could be a major coup for Swarovski and an equivalent blow to Zeiss in the exciting world of optics wars!
The Zeiss SF32 won't be "dead in the water". Even if Swaro manages to sell more NL32 than Zeiss does sell SF32, who cares? At least I don't. What matters to potential binocular buyers is that we may have two great wide-angle 32s with good ergonomics to chose from. And who knows, maybe even Leica is working on a new 32? (this year would have been Photokina, when Leica often announced new products)
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I don't think anyone has yet fully explained quite why they're quite so much more expensive than their stable mates. The ELs are roughly a third more than SLCs but the NL range is a 50% hike again. Were the development costs exceptional? Is it tooling up for a new line that makes them cost that much more? Are they harder to make? Or is it the cost of paying for exceptional service? I don't think, though, that a new binocular not yet available has ever previously created such a stir on BF.
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132 meters and ER is no issue thanks to the optical box.
Optical box? Is that what the CLs are shipped in?

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I don't think anyone has yet fully explained quite why they're quite so much more expensive than their stable mates. The ELs are roughly a third more than SLCs but the NL range is a 50% hike again. Were the development costs exceptional? Is it tooling up for a new line that makes them cost that much more? Are they harder to make? Or is it the cost of paying for exceptional service? I don't think, though, that a new binocular not yet available has ever previously created such a stir on BF.
One might say it's gone viral !?
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And who knows, maybe even Leica is working on a new 32? (this year would have been Photokina, when Leica often announced new products)
Leica has a batch of new 32, in fact 35s, they are called Retrovids
It's interesting to see them put these up against the new SF, although to be fair theirs is available and the SF is not :)

The 7x35 is quite nice actually, I don't know about the others.

I really wish Swaro had started by updating their bestseller 8x32 EL, but binocular companies like introducing the standard expensive x42 first.

This is an interesting year, we've seen new products from the three alpha firms, the NL, the Retrovid and the new SF.

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Dennis, where did you order the NL from?
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Dennis, where did you order the NL from?
https://www.eurooptic.com/
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Thanks for the info.
An acquaintance wants to order early, I also listed sport Optics, Euro-optics will waive state taxes, however Delaware has no sales tax.

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Additional NL Information

I’ve located some additional information from Swarovski about the NL:

• A 5 MB NL Fact Sheet in various languages can be found at: https://myservice.swarovskioptik.com...language=en_US

• And a 2.3 MB Export Price List for 2020/ 2021 at: https://myservice.swarovskioptik.com...language=en_US


The fact sheet includes:
- some detail about the optics and the focuser (image 1)
- the new UCS neck strap and the new FSB bag (image 2)

And see another image of the bag from: https://www.verrekijkershop.nl/vogel...ure-12x42.html


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. . . and an FSB image from Swarovski
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Thanks for the info.
An acquaintance wants to order early, I also listed sport Optics, Euro-optics will waive state taxes, however Delaware has no sales tax.
I don't care for Sport Optics. They never seem to have anything in stock anymore. I much prefer Euro-optic. They sell a lot of optics and firearms and I have always had good service from them.
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I’ve located some additional information from Swarovski about the NL:

• A 5 MB NL Fact Sheet in various languages can be found at: https://myservice.swarovskioptik.com...language=en_US

• And a 2.3 MB Export Price List for 2020/ 2021 at: https://myservice.swarovskioptik.com...language=en_US


The fact sheet includes:
- some detail about the optics and the focuser (image 1)
- the new UCS neck strap and the new FSB bag (image 2)

And see another image of the bag from: https://www.verrekijkershop.nl/vogel...ure-12x42.html


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. . . and an FSB image from Swarovski
in regards to the products....I don't think in all my years of birding have I seen anyone carry a binocular in the case (Swaro or not) ..... Now, they might have the case if they 'travel'....but not in the field like those images do :-)...
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It is a commercial (advertising), have you seen many of them today?, totally backward.
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I’ve located some additional information from Swarovski about the NL:

• A 5 MB NL Fact Sheet in various languages can be found at: https://myservice.swarovskioptik.com...language=en_US

• And a 2.3 MB Export Price List for 2020/ 2021 at: https://myservice.swarovskioptik.com...language=en_US


The fact sheet includes:
- some detail about the optics and the focuser (image 1)
- the new UCS neck strap and the new FSB bag (image 2)

And see another image of the bag from: https://www.verrekijkershop.nl/vogel...ure-12x42.html


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. . . and an FSB image from Swarovski
Thanks, John. I like the idea of a side case. I think it will be easier to get the binoculars out of the case. It looks big enough for the strap also.
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Thanks John for the info. It will be interesting to see how that forehead bracket works out. I am not so sure....
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Thanks John for the info. It will be interesting to see how that forehead bracket works out. I am not so sure...
I am not so sure about the forehead rest either. I didn't order one with my NL 8x42. I am going to wait for some feedback from other users first before I buy one. I don't like the idea of adding weight to the binocular unless it really is beneficial. I am very interested to see what a 477-foot FOV looks like with sharp edges though. That is wider than an EII.

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... I don't think, though, that a new binocular not yet available has ever previously created such a stir on BF.
Hello John,

My recollection is that the Zeiss FL models created quite a stir.

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