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Old Monday 11th May 2020, 20:18   #1
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Britain's Birds 2nd Edition

Can anybody out there clarify when the 2nd edition of this excellent guide is due to be available? Recently Amazon stated May 22nd, but now states May 5th and out of stock! Wildsounds says it's due May 7th, and NHBS just states May 2020. I regard this as a significant publication and eagerly awaited, so would appreciate an update on this.
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Old Tuesday 12th May 2020, 15:42   #2
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Orders are being taken so it's clearly imminent.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-li...9281423&sr=8-3

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/313078738004
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Thanks Andy. I rang Wildsounds this afternoon and they have just received stock. They are taking orders now.
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NHBS are showing as in stock I just ordered my copy earlier this evening.
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What are the updates. I agree it’s a great book. My youngest also has the “pocket” edition.

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Twelve new species and over 400 updated photos mostly. I have the 1st edition so will be interesting to compare them when it arrives.

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What are the updates. I agree it’s a great book. My youngest also has the “pocket” edition.

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The available 'blurb' says that it has "Coverage of 12 new species recorded since the first edition plus revisions to reflect the latest taxonomy Coverage of all subspecies Improved identification aids, including more than 400 new photos, enhanced photo annotations and many redesigned plates". I didn't see any obvious changes after a quick look at the few plates available online other than the font colour on some plates seemed different seemed to have changed from blackish to blue. The page numbers and individual photos were the same so I'd imagine here's been no serious re-ordering of the plates and that the new plates may well be tucked away at the back.

I too have it on order so I hope it arrives soon. I admit rather than a second edition of the existing guide I was hoping for a new one albeit based on the original covering all European birds (even at the cost of omitting extreme rarities).
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The available 'blurb' says that it has "Coverage of 12 new species recorded since the first edition plus revisions to reflect the latest taxonomy Coverage of all subspecies Improved identification aids, including more than 400 new photos, enhanced photo annotations and many redesigned plates". I didn't see any obvious changes after a quick look at the few plates available online other than the font colour on some plates seemed different seemed to have changed from blackish to blue. The page numbers and individual photos were the same so I'd imagine here's been no serious re-ordering of the plates and that the new plates may well be tucked away at the back.

I too have it on order so I hope it arrives soon. I admit rather than a second edition of the existing guide I was hoping for a new one albeit based on the original covering all European birds (even at the cost of omitting extreme rarities).
This title, presumably the old/current edition, is one of those available for free download from Project Muse as PDF
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The available 'blurb' says that it has "Coverage of 12 new species recorded since the first edition plus revisions to reflect the latest taxonomy Coverage of all subspecies Improved identification aids, including more than 400 new photos, enhanced photo annotations and many redesigned plates". I didn't see any obvious changes after a quick look at the few plates available online other than the font colour on some plates seemed different seemed to have changed from blackish to blue. The page numbers and individual photos were the same so I'd imagine here's been no serious re-ordering of the plates and that the new plates may well be tucked away at the back.

I too have it on order so I hope it arrives soon. I admit rather than a second edition of the existing guide I was hoping for a new one albeit based on the original covering all European birds (even at the cost of omitting extreme rarities).
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If anybody receives a copy, an interesting test of how improved this second edition is would be to work through my comments on the gulls section (post #40 here: https://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?p=3442580) and identify which ones have been addressed. Any volunteers?
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If anybody receives a copy, an interesting test of how improved this second edition is would be to work through my comments on the gulls section (post #40 here: https://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?p=3442580) and identify which ones have been addressed. Any volunteers?
I'd have thought it would have been better for you to do it yourself. I've ordered it precisely with the intention of seeing whether and how far it's been revised/improved so I've no problems checking what has or has not been changed (although I don't think I'd be confident about saying whether any changes were necessarily for the better).
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I'd have thought it would have been better for you to do it yourself. I've ordered it precisely with the intention of seeing whether and how far it's been revised/improved so I've no problems checking what has or has not been changed (although I don't think I'd be confident about saying whether any changes were necessarily for the better).
Thanks. I was going to hold off from buying it just yet as I wanted to see what you thought of it first 🙂
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It is reviewed as part of the RBA weekly newsletter - the reviewer seems well impressed. Special offer through RBA too.

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I have both and I have to say I am very impressed with the updated version! A lot of new photos, sections on rare groups are great and text has been improved too! It is definitely worth getting!
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I have both and I have to say I am very impressed with the updated version! A lot of new photos, sections on rare groups are great and text has been improved too! It is definitely worth getting!
You've got a copy! I ordered mine ages ago and there's no sign of it as yet not even notification that it's on the way.
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I have both too. Yes a lot of tweaks throughout the book - according to the back more than 800 new photos, enhanced annotations and redesigned pages. A total of over 3500 photos now.
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You've got a copy! I ordered mine ages ago and there's no sign of it as yet not even notification that it's on the way.
Where did you order from John? I got mine from NHBS a fantastic company for all nature related books and equipment!
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Where did you order from John? I got mine from NHBS a fantastic company for all nature related books and equipment!
Same - corners a little bent on mine though, so could have been packed better, but good price so can’t have it all.
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Where did you order from John? I got mine from NHBS a fantastic company for all nature related books and equipment!
I too ordered mine from from "a fantastic company for all nature related books and equipment" ..... yep, the very same NHBS!
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I just heard it's being 'prepared for dispatch' and should be sent out tomorrow or Monday.
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At last! Enjoy it! I know I was like a kid at Christmas when mine came through the door!
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Where did you order from John? I got mine from NHBS a fantastic company for all nature related books and equipment!
NHBS undoubtedly carry a very wide range of stock, some of it quite specialist, however, they remain an expensive supplier.

The actual cost of a book from NHBS is usually the most expensive option but their postal costs are also expensive. Whilst some offer free delivey when a certain amount is spent and others continue to offer free postage as standard, NHBS charges rise on a scale relative to the cost of the purchase, presumably some kind of insurance cost? I don't see how they continue to thrive in the face of such competition but they undoubtedly do.

I use a range of suppliers and only use NHBS as a last resort or if they have an offer on.
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NHBS undoubtedly carry a very wide range of stock, some of it quite specialist, however, they remain an expensive supplier.

The actual cost of a book from NHBS is usually the most expensive option but their postal costs are also expensive. Whilst some offer free delivey when a certain amount is spent and others continue to offer free postage as standard, NHBS charges rise on a scale relative to the cost of the purchase, presumably some kind of insurance cost? I don't see how they continue to thrive in the face of such competition but they undoubtedly do.

I use a range of suppliers and only use NHBS as a last resort or if they have an offer on.
I try to use high street bookshops if I can but often neither they nor their warehouse have the book(s) I want. Online I tend to buy first from Wildsounds and then NHBS. I like to buy things from NHBS every now and again as even if it is sometimes a little more as I regard that a price worth paying to have a supplier willing to carry such a large stock of relatively obscure books.
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NHBS undoubtedly carry a very wide range of stock, some of it quite specialist, however, they remain an expensive supplier.

The actual cost of a book from NHBS is usually the most expensive option but their postal costs are also expensive. Whilst some offer free delivey when a certain amount is spent and others continue to offer free postage as standard, NHBS charges rise on a scale relative to the cost of the purchase, presumably some kind of insurance cost? I don't see how they continue to thrive in the face of such competition but they undoubtedly do.

I use a range of suppliers and only use NHBS as a last resort or if they have an offer on.
I got it for £18.49 delivered which I thought was quite good, but similarly I would normally go for a post free supplier.

I actually looked to see if there was a readily available pdf version, as I love the Collins Bird Guide app, and also Gulls, and Gulls of the World, which both come on pdf and can come with me birding on my phone. I prefer pdf versions now for the portability and would have foregone the paper version otherwise.
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