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Old Sunday 25th March 2018, 13:28   #1
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More from Yucatan in January

From Rio Legartos area - we went out with Diego Nunez for a couple of days (excellent trips!) but after that we were on our own, so identification was harder.

All help much appreciated!
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Old Sunday 25th March 2018, 13:44   #2
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2 Northern Parula
4 Masked Tityra
5 Grey Catbird



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1 Summer Tanager?
2 Blue Black Grassquit?

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Old Sunday 25th March 2018, 18:31   #4
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Looking very closely at the other shots I have of the same birds:
1. Summer Tanager female (possibly juvenile) looks likely
2. Northern Parula - comparing with some images on Google looks a good match
3. I thought some kind of sparrrow????????
4. Masked Tityra for sure
5. Grey Catbird for sure
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Old Sunday 25th March 2018, 19:01   #5
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I think 3 is a female Indigo Bunting?



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Old Sunday 25th March 2018, 19:14   #6
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1 looks like a Painted Bunting to me.
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Old Sunday 25th March 2018, 19:48   #7
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Painted Bunting on #1 for me, too.

Indigo Bunting looks good for #3.
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Old Sunday 25th March 2018, 20:42   #8
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I am on the side of Bunting sp for both 1 and 3. Not summer tanager.

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1 looks like a Painted Bunting to me.
Yes, and Rio Lagartos is a 'site for them', but it's still a good 'un to get there
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I assume the Yucatan is safe?

Haven't done Mexico but will be in Larry's position soon, looking for a place where we can safely take a child.

What are your tips Larry for best 'buggy birding' destinations?



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I assume the Yucatan is safe?

Haven't done Mexico but will be in Larry's position soon, looking for a place where we can safely take a child.

What are your tips Larry for best 'buggy birding' destinations?



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We found Yucatan a great buggy-birding with car hire destination, Andy Trip report here : https://www.birdforum.net/showthread...ht=yucatan+san

remember to also clock the Yucatan (White-lored) Gnatcatcher, prob to be split soon.
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We have been to the Yucatan each year for the last seven. We have always found it very safe and friendly with great birding. Steven, our usual guide, is a Dutch guy who knows everyone, speaks Mayan as well as Spanish and is knowledgeable in archeology as well as birds. Find him by looking up 'Birding with Steven'.
For the birds - definite on Northern Parula and Grey Catbird, also bunting sp for 1 and 3.
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We found Yucatan a great buggy-birding with car hire destination, Andy Trip report here : https://www.birdforum.net/showthread...ht=yucatan+san

remember to also clock the Yucatan (White-lored) Gnatcatcher, prob to be split soon.
Thanks Larry, good to know and any tips on other similar places would be greatly appreciated.


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Yucatan is more than safe to go.
If you are going to some remoter areas, some basic Spanish is good but certainly not necessary.
We have done it selfdriven in Spring 2017 incl. Palenque. and had a great time. A guide is not really needed (well we missed a lot of species during our poor knowledge on calls in Palenque). Also a good place to combine family and birds with a lot of birdlife at the archeological sites.
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Yucatan is more than safe to go.
If you are going to some remoter areas, some basic Spanish is good but certainly not necessary.
We have done it selfdriven in Spring 2017 incl. Palenque. and had a great time. A guide is not really needed (well we missed a lot of species during our poor knowledge on calls in Palenque). Also a good place to combine family and birds with a lot of birdlife at the archeological sites.
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Likewise, I have been in Yucatan something like 4 of the last 6 years, and done some self driving and birding most of those visits. I consider it as safe as most other places I would go. In Mexico, the further away from the US border the better, it seems.

You can get good birds without a guide, but conversely, I have always gotten something extra the couple of times I have had a guide.

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Out of interest, what are the best ways of telling Indigo Bunting from Blue Black Grassquit? May be obvious but I'll admit, I'm struggling.
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I do not remember seeing a female-colored bbgr having a wash of blue on tail and wing-tips similar to what we see here. Others might chime in with different input.

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I do not remember seeing a female-colored bbgr having a wash of blue on tail and wing-tips similar to what we see here. Others might chime in with different input.

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Thanks Niels. Not actually getting the blue wash on my phone. Tried Google but can't find much info on the differences (maybe they're more straightforward in real life). From images there seems to be a difference in wing length with bbgr having much shorter wings (I assume non-migratory?). I remember seeing lots of "Indigo Buntings" in the Yucatan a few years back, wasn't till I got home that I wondered if some (if not most) had been Grassquits (I was too busy struggling to identify orioles most of the time I was there).

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Out of interest, what are the best ways of telling Indigo Bunting from Blue Black Grassquit? May be obvious but I'll admit, I'm struggling.
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I'm still struggling with that too Phil, to be honest. Normally not a problem in the field, but I could do with some more words of wisdom with this pic. I'm getting more of an Indigo feel on head shape and posture but that's about it
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Fair enough. Go to this page, scroll down and follow the link to the gallery using the yellow bar: https://www.birdforum.net/opus/Blue-black_Grassquit

To mention one thing, I do not see a single female colored bird with a pale eye-ring like on the op bird. I have more difficulty in describing what I feel is a difference in the spotting/stripes on the underside.

Disclaimer: during the last many years I have seen many more grassquits than buntings.

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Indigo often shows a feint sub/moustachial as this bird does.


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Well I'm still confused. Google Images comes up with pics of both species with and without eyerings and faint sub-moustachial stripes. Obviously I don't know how accurately the images are labelled. Thought I'd found something diagnostic with dark centres to the median coverts on the Grassquit but then found pics of the bunting with the same. Wing length seems to be a consistent difference but how useful this in pics I'm not sure, depends on angle of the shot. I must dig out my photos of "Indigo Buntings" from Mexico a few years back, may get a posthumous ( not the correct word I know but on the whiskey so it'll do) tick.

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Well I'm still confused. Google Images comes up with pics of both species with and without eyerings and faint sub-moustachial stripes.

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Agree. Here's one quite similar to my eye to the OP bird http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-blu...-94097629.html
others have a more prominent eye-ring, and moustachial too I think (but my rubbish IT skills mean I can't work out how to link to them specifically!). Check out the eyering on eg the adult female in the HBW page.

I'd like someone to point out a 'harder' feature to go on in the OP image! It's still doing my head in that they don't cause so much bother in the field! Maybe it's the way they move or something?

EDIT confidence dwindling that my linked bird above is correctly identified!

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One thing I don't do is google image search for birds. The false hits are just too many. I limit the images I view to those in the birdforum gallery, the IBC, and some regional sources such as the media in Wikiaves do Brasil and Neotropical birds online where I have better odds than 50:50.

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