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Birds of prey ID, Iran (1 Viewer)
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Iraq Babbler
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lesser kestrel is also possibility for this female, as early migrant now reaching the northern part of Zagros mountain, however, the primary tip is not clearly visible in this female, so id say it unsafe to be sure from this only pic.
The second is long legged buzzard alright.
Omar
The second is long legged buzzard alright.
Omar
Iraq Babbler
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Noticable number of LLB has a subterminal tail band like this
http://raptorimages.hu/en/archives/3305
and other have crescent on breast as well
http://ibc.lynxeds.com/photo/long-legged-buzzard-buteo-rufinus/bird-flight
However, as it is unsafe to be sure form such bulered pic, the wing( despite the dihedral soaring) seems long and broad, very pale tail with rather thin subterminal band, pale long projected head, eagle like jizz.
Omar
http://raptorimages.hu/en/archives/3305
and other have crescent on breast as well
http://ibc.lynxeds.com/photo/long-legged-buzzard-buteo-rufinus/bird-flight
However, as it is unsafe to be sure form such bulered pic, the wing( despite the dihedral soaring) seems long and broad, very pale tail with rather thin subterminal band, pale long projected head, eagle like jizz.
Omar
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Tib78
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The 2 birds you have linked to are juveniles while the OP bird is an adult, Omar, therefore those images are of little help for ID purpose.
There is a considerable variation and much overlap in plumage displayed by Steppe buzzard and LLB. However it looks very reasonnable to me to conclude the OP is a Steppe buzzard in this case. Beside the features already highlighted by Tom, one can see that the carpals hardly show any black away from the greater primary coverts (normal for Steppe while the overwhelming majority of LLB have solid black carpal patch). Also the median coverts appear to leave a pale band to the middle of the coverts that is typical of CB/Steppe.
There is a considerable variation and much overlap in plumage displayed by Steppe buzzard and LLB. However it looks very reasonnable to me to conclude the OP is a Steppe buzzard in this case. Beside the features already highlighted by Tom, one can see that the carpals hardly show any black away from the greater primary coverts (normal for Steppe while the overwhelming majority of LLB have solid black carpal patch). Also the median coverts appear to leave a pale band to the middle of the coverts that is typical of CB/Steppe.
Iraq Babbler
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Tib, i understand that discussion will take long when debate on such LQ pic raised.
As you said it is a set of plumages between both spp. wich can be proplematic, there were many pics in the web concerning the carpale featuer, as i think it can not be judged alon, however, the shape of bird and jizz which i linked in first citation is my case in such pic. rather than plumage. So, i cant add more.
Omar
As you said it is a set of plumages between both spp. wich can be proplematic, there were many pics in the web concerning the carpale featuer, as i think it can not be judged alon, however, the shape of bird and jizz which i linked in first citation is my case in such pic. rather than plumage. So, i cant add more.
Omar
Valéry Schollaert
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ehsan, your buzzard is indeed a Common (Steppe) Buzzard, Buteo buteo vulpinus, quite typical indeed.
Iraq Babbler
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Can you show us your extream confident of being it as Steepe? what is your claim which most were discused by us above?
Omar
Hi Omar
I think it is up to you to show us an image of an ADULT Long-legged Buzzard with
clear cut subterminal tail bar AND
light breast band AND
carpal patch only made by greater primary coverts AND
light medium secondary coverts
but I still agree that in Buzzards everything or almost is possible, you really need to see them fly
I think it is up to you to show us an image of an ADULT Long-legged Buzzard with
clear cut subterminal tail bar AND
light breast band AND
carpal patch only made by greater primary coverts AND
light medium secondary coverts
but I still agree that in Buzzards everything or almost is possible, you really need to see them fly
Valéry Schollaert
Respect animals, don't eat or wear their body or s
Tib explained you already, and Tom too. It is better to admit a mistake instead of trying to prove what can't be proven :t:
Take it easy. B
Iraq Babbler
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Tib explained you already, and Tom too. It is better to admit a mistake instead of trying to prove what can't be proven :t:
Take it easy. B
So, you dont have and/ or did not add anything new as i expected , just mimik others opinios.
Take it easy too.
Omar
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Iraq Babbler
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Ehasan,
WOULD you please post further (if you have, even a low quality) pic(s) of this buzzard please, im keen to learn if im wrong through this post please?
Omar
WOULD you please post further (if you have, even a low quality) pic(s) of this buzzard please, im keen to learn if im wrong through this post please?
Omar
Valéry Schollaert
Respect animals, don't eat or wear their body or s
I've seen the photo, before reading any comment, and I thought, "an easy and typical steppe". OP can be interested to know that, in addition to raptor specialist, Tom, and one of the most respected birder on BF, Thibaut, a professional bird guide from East Africa that see hundreds of Steppe Buzzards even flying above his own home, find the bird to identify a typical vulpinus. Should be enough to reach a conclusion IMO.
Iraq Babbler
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Thanks Ehsan, wonderful shot for adult LLB, as it shows feature very well and well pale rufous tail and narrow wings despite the carpale patchs, pairs of the species possibly allopatriced by elevation with steppe buzzard are now nesting along the Zagrouse montains, and seeing the birds in same area could only indacting for a shifting incubating pairs or soaring individual. However, i dont argue more with other experts, as i personaly agree on both being LLB due to shape, jizz, area, and teritories.
Omar
Omar
